Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:07 am You cant just approach people who are already in jobs, there's rules against that. No wonder Ling was Fing and blinding with these idiotic ideas being floated.

Two things, yes you can. You go through the right channels and ask permission to discuss the job. Secondly, Ling admitted in the Q&A that there's ways of making it known if you'd be interested in the job/the other way around without tapping them up.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:08 am And assuming he does come here even though he’s not got the remotest interest in doing so, he then fucks off in 6 months time when a L1 club come knocking.

Absolute wibble. Any manager that does well with Orient will get poached by a club at a higher level. Orient have just sold Bonne and Koroma for peanuts, I'm not sure they're bothered.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:09 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:07 am You cant just approach people who are already in jobs, there's rules against that. No wonder Ling was Fing and blinding with these idiotic ideas being floated.

Two things, yes you can. You go through the right channels and ask permission to discuss the job. Secondly, Ling admitted in the Q&A that there's ways of making it known if you'd be interested in the job/the other way around without tapping them up.

So Ling should have approached these managers at higher division clubs who had not expressed any interest in the job? I gotta bring back the clown smiley.

I wasn't necessarily surprised that Martin Ling and/or Nigel Travis read the message board, (I presume it's not the other one), but I'm absolutely shocked that they take any notice of it.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:07 am You cant just approach people who are already in jobs, there's rules against that. No wonder Ling was Fing and blinding with these idiotic ideas being floated.

But you are allowed to approach the club directly and ask for permission to speak with your identified candidate.

Secondly if you think that tapping up does not go on at all levels of the game then you are seriously deluded.

You think managers at League One and Championship clubs would have considered leaving their posts to come and take the reigns at Orient?

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:17 am The swearing didn't bother me and I'd even forgot that it happened. However, PW I'm not sure your argument holds water really.

Would you in a staff meeting at work swear in front of fellow workers? I doubt it as I'm sure your boss would not be impressed with such language. Regardless of what had happened in your private life, you just wouldn't do it.

Agree, bad form. But needs to be cut a bit of slack. He screwed up, his boss is making the apologies and quietly probably not too happy. The fans want to have a dig and he’s performing alongside the boss. As embarrassing as it gets.

So it’s hardly a surprise he gets defensive/aggressive. He’s human too.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:48 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:42 am You think managers at League One and Championship clubs would have considered leaving their posts to come and take the reigns at Orient?

We are just two divisions away from where we were for a long time with only small crowds

If I was any manager I would not care we are in league two . Lofc could easily be sold to a manager that can identify with the potential

I know the owner said that about JE in an interview - knew where he wanting to go and he knew it could be with Lofc

I wish ML had responded in a similar vein - rather than focusing on where we are now

We have been there and could get there easily with the correct manager and the focus of strategy on that main objective

But JE was unemployed.

Higher league managers arent going to drop down to a smaller club for less money.

Urbane Vancelo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:26 am I wasn't necessarily surprised that Martin Ling and/or Nigel Travis read the message board, (I presume it's not the other one), but I'm absolutely shocked that they take any notice of it.

If they are not going to take any notice why read it in the first place, just a waste of time. Of course they will use it to gauge feelings, those regarding Fletcher were abundantly clear and will have supported their own views making the decision perhaps a little easier.

They will pick up bits here and there as background information.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:57 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:48 am

We are just two divisions away from where we were for a long time with only small crowds

If I was any manager I would not care we are in league two . Lofc could easily be sold to a manager that can identify with the potential

I know the owner said that about JE in an interview - knew where he wanting to go and he knew it could be with Lofc

I wish ML had responded in a similar vein - rather than focusing on where we are now

We have been there and could get there easily with the correct manager and the focus of strategy on that main objective

But JE was unemployed.

Higher league managers arent going to drop down to a smaller club for less money.

I don't see a career limited to just the current wage compared to a higher wage

Managers - some managers have other desires that mean more than just money

If you tax and other stuff even if the net pay is less as long as it can cover your family commitments does it really matter in the short term

If I was a manager I want the glory of an achieviement more than the extra money

This ain’t Melchester Rovers

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:16 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:09 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:07 am You cant just approach people who are already in jobs, there's rules against that. No wonder Ling was Fing and blinding with these idiotic ideas being floated.

Two things, yes you can. You go through the right channels and ask permission to discuss the job. Secondly, Ling admitted in the Q&A that there's ways of making it known if you'd be interested in the job/the other way around without tapping them up.

So Ling should have approached these managers at higher division clubs who had not expressed any interest in the job? I gotta bring back the clown smiley.

Surely it’s reasonable to assume that the could club to make an approach to a manager /HC who is not in a job but may be a good fit for our “ culture” rather than simply calling for CV’s from interested applicants? Obviously the club’s standing in the EFL structure and budgetary issues will rule out many but isn’t it part of the Board members / DoF role to “ sell” the merits of the club to prospective employees. There’s no guarantee of course that a more proactive approach would work but it would seem to me that by sitting back and waiting to see who applies the club is being too passive.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:57 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:48 am

We are just two divisions away from where we were for a long time with only small crowds

If I was any manager I would not care we are in league two . Lofc could easily be sold to a manager that can identify with the potential

I know the owner said that about JE in an interview - knew where he wanting to go and he knew it could be with Lofc

I wish ML had responded in a similar vein - rather than focusing on where we are now

We have been there and could get there easily with the correct manager and the focus of strategy on that main objective

But JE was unemployed.

Higher league managers arent going to drop down to a smaller club for less money.

I don't see a career limited to just the current wage compared to a higher wage

Managers - some managers have other desires that mean more than just money

If you tax and other stuff even if the net pay is less as long as it can cover your family commitments does it really matter in the short term

If I was a manager I want the glory of an achieviement more than the extra money

Easy to say when its only a fantasy management role you are talking about.

When it comes down to the real world and putting food on the table etc. A good manager will be able to obtain more money at a bigger club and isn't going to take a lower salary for the same abuse from fans

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:57 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:48 am

We are just two divisions away from where we were for a long time with only small crowds

If I was any manager I would not care we are in league two . Lofc could easily be sold to a manager that can identify with the potential

I know the owner said that about JE in an interview - knew where he wanting to go and he knew it could be with Lofc

I wish ML had responded in a similar vein - rather than focusing on where we are now

We have been there and could get there easily with the correct manager and the focus of strategy on that main objective

But JE was unemployed.

Higher league managers arent going to drop down to a smaller club for less money.

I don't see a career limited to just the current wage compared to a higher wage

Managers - some managers have other desires that mean more than just money

If you tax and other stuff even if the net pay is less as long as it can cover your family commitments does it really matter in the short term

If I was a manager I want the glory of an achieviement more than the extra money

That is exactly right but some people just don’t have the experience to realise it. Sometimes a small step backwards help make a massive step forwards in the end.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:57 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:48 am

We are just two divisions away from where we were for a long time with only small crowds

If I was any manager I would not care we are in league two . Lofc could easily be sold to a manager that can identify with the potential

I know the owner said that about JE in an interview - knew where he wanting to go and he knew it could be with Lofc

I wish ML had responded in a similar vein - rather than focusing on where we are now

We have been there and could get there easily with the correct manager and the focus of strategy on that main objective

But JE was unemployed.

Higher league managers arent going to drop down to a smaller club for less money.

I don't see a career limited to just the current wage compared to a higher wage

Managers - some managers have other desires that mean more than just money

If you tax and other stuff even if the net pay is less as long as it can cover your family commitments does it really matter in the short term

If I was a manager I want the glory of an achieviement more than the extra money

We're famous for glory of course.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:42 am You think managers at League One and Championship clubs would have considered leaving their posts to come and take the reigns at Orient?

It’s a possibility, but you will never know till you ask. In all probability they would not move however, someone may see the benefit of a long term project to get us back to the championship as a real goer. Then with the promise of further investment a crack at the PL we don’t know what the club is selling as it’s vision, but it’s all possible as long as enough money is there to support it.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:43 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:42 am You think managers at League One and Championship clubs would have considered leaving their posts to come and take the reigns at Orient?

It’s a possibility, but you will never know till you ask. In all probability they would not move however, someone may see the benefit of a long term project to get us back to the championship as a real goer. Then with the promise of further investment a crack at the PL we don’t know what the club is selling as it’s vision, but it’s all possible as long as enough money is there to support it.

Of course it’s a possibility if the terms and conditions are right. Sure unlikely, but possible. Absolutely no reason in not trying to find out.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:48 pm

You need to get out into the real world more. You may suprise yourself what can be achieved with a little imagination, some daring and ambition.

And if it don’t work if cost 100% of naff all.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:11 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:08 am And assuming he does come here even though he’s not got the remotest interest in doing so, he then fucks off in 6 months time when a L1 club come knocking.

Absolute wibble. Any manager that does well with Orient will get poached by a club at a higher level. Orient have just sold Bonne and Koroma for peanuts, I'm not sure they're bothered.

Absolutely not wibble.

It's not about a manager doing well and possibly being poached if they do well. It's about someone not wanting to be here but doing so for a pay day, then clearing off the next time there's a sacking at a club they deem more suitable to their level.

It's totally different with players anyway - a manager is far more instrumental - but Bonne and Koroma both developed themselves whilst here to earn the chance at Championship clubs. They weren't already Championship players operating at a level they considered beneath them.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:08 pm And if it don’t work if cost 100% of naff all.

Apart from opportunity cost, time and the potential of a shot reputation.

Orient have around the 8th highest budget in League Two plus London weighting and contracted deadwood that the hierarchy has shown no appetite to change - it's hardly a super attractive must-have job. A manager isn't going to wave a magic wand and suddenly turn everyone into a world-beater and enjoy crazy success because half a century ago we were in the second tier.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:43 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:42 am You think managers at League One and Championship clubs would have considered leaving their posts to come and take the reigns at Orient?

It’s a possibility, but you will never know till you ask. In all probability they would not move however, someone may see the benefit of a long term project to get us back to the championship as a real goer. Then with the promise of further investment a crack at the PL we don’t know what the club is selling as it’s vision, but it’s all possible as long as enough money is there to support it.

Back to The Championship? We've never been in The Championship. You are being totally unrealistic, much like the infantile movies you enjoy.

Oh well watching Laurie Cunningham play for Orient, Mayo, Kitchen, Jackson among others must have been a dream then was it?

League 2 in old money

Think most decent managers would look at us as a basket case that they need to steer clear of. I've been a defender of Ling but the farce with Fletcher doesn't happen at well run clubs. Suspect we've got some deep issues that Ling won't address as to admit them would be to admit fault, hence why he seems to be prodding Ross to go for the managers job permanently.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:55 pm Oh well watching Laurie Cunningham play for Orient, Mayo, Kitchen, Jackson among others must have been a dream then was it?

The Championship didnt even exist then. How old are you?