Independent Leyton Orient Forum

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:25 pm

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:03 pm "Maybe social media isn't for you"

Yes you are probably right.
Like Macklin, I am still entitled to an opinion and to be fair I didn't say I don't understand why Macklin got involved, just that I was astounded he did, I obviously know why, he was defending his mate!

Can you post a link to your original tweet .

Then we might be able to see for ourselves

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:31 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:48 pm There is constructive criticism and just being plain nasty.

Ling has done a fantastic job. We need to remember the state of the club when he joined. Hardly any players, no manager, a shambles of a club in real trouble. On our knees.

Two years later we are NL Champions under his guidance. That frankly is bloody miraculous.

Sure not everything has been perfect but in a results driven business his results are there for the world to see where it matter. And we are back in the EFL.

Some people just need to wake up and smell the coffee.[/quote

Obviously we are all entitled to an opinion, whilst I agree ML did a decent job in the beginning, we have to remember the dissaray on the Football side at the time of SD's departure and one man, JE, was responsible for repairing that damage and getting us back on track. To be quiet honest he got hold of everybody at this Football Club, Board, Staff including ML, Players and Supporters and dragged us all along to what ultimately ended in the National League Title last season and for that I will forever be grateful to him. The only plaudits I would personally give ML for that promotion, is the fact that he was part of the process that had the foresight to appoint JE. Please understand, I am not having a go here, it is all about opinions and I just see this differently. Doesn't obviously make you right and me wrong or vice versa.

That he was part of the process that employed JE says it all. I have little doubt his opinion was paramount in that decision and one that led to our success. One of the key attributes of a Director is employing the right people, sure he got it spectacularly wrong and is accepting responsibility, equally when he got it spectacularly right he deserves the accolades too.

You cannot separate Justin’s success from Lings success in recruiting him.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:39 pm

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:31 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:48 pm There is constructive criticism and just being plain nasty.

Ling has done a fantastic job. We need to remember the state of the club when he joined. Hardly any players, no manager, a shambles of a club in real trouble. On our knees.

Two years later we are NL Champions under his guidance. That frankly is bloody miraculous.

Sure not everything has been perfect but in a results driven business his results are there for the world to see where it matter. And we are back in the EFL.

Some people just need to wake up and smell the coffee.[/quote

Obviously we are all entitled to an opinion, whilst I agree ML did a decent job in the beginning, we have to remember the dissaray on the Football side at the time of SD's departure and one man, JE, was responsible for repairing that damage and getting us back on track. To be quiet honest he got hold of everybody at this Football Club, Board, Staff including ML, Players and Supporters and dragged us all along to what ultimately ended in the National League Title last season and for that I will forever be grateful to him. The only plaudits I would personally give ML for that promotion, is the fact that he was part of the process that had the foresight to appoint JE. Please understand, I am not having a go here, it is all about opinions and I just see this differently. Doesn't obviously make you right and me wrong or vice versa.

That he was part of the process that employed JE says it all. I have little doubt his opinion was paramount in that decision and one that led to our success. One of the key attributes of a Director is employing the right people, sure he got it spectacularly wrong and is accepting responsibility, equally when he got it spectacularly right he deserves the accolades too.

You cannot separate Justin’s success from Lings success in recruiting him.

Really, basically, as I said we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:46 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:39 pm

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:31 pm

That he was part of the process that employed JE says it all. I have little doubt his opinion was paramount in that decision and one that led to our success. One of the key attributes of a Director is employing the right people, sure he got it spectacularly wrong and is accepting responsibility, equally when he got it spectacularly right he deserves the accolades too.

You cannot separate Justin’s success from Lings success in recruiting him.

Really, basically, as I said we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

No, it’s impossible to separate the two events.

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:35 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:25 pm

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:03 pm "Maybe social media isn't for you"

Yes you are probably right.
Like Macklin, I am still entitled to an opinion and to be fair I didn't say I don't understand why Macklin got involved, just that I was astounded he did, I obviously know why, he was defending his mate!

Can you post a link to your original tweet .

Then we might be able to see for ourselves

Sorry, I am not sure you understand, the original tweet wasn't mine, I am not on Twitter, it was COYO's.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:15 am Ling is though of so highly by Kent & Nigel, his position is guaranteed for life.
When i had a little dig at Ling on Twitter, a month ago, i had Danny Macklin DM me to really tear me off a strip, and remind me how great Ling is.....he then informed me i was to be blocked, for daring to criticsize the 'great one'
It shocked me, to see how aggressive the defence of Ling was.
Therefore as DOF, he will no doubt, be instrumental in choosing the next Manager/Head Coach

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:54 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

No one is stopping you tweeting.

All that has happened I'd Macklin has exercised his right not to be contacted by you.


Get over yourself. Carry on expressing your views. Just don't expect everyone to want to read your views.

Such a snowflake. Not everyone wants to hear your views. You don't have a right to force people to listen to your keyboard warrior outpourings

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 pm

Osal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:46 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:39 pm

Really, basically, as I said we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

No, it’s impossible to separate the two events.

Well I think you can, take Man City for instance, Pep Guardiola quite rightly gets all the plaudits for their recent trophy successes without their DofF getting a mention. Oh I forgot our club is unique, that is what it will be.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:58 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:54 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

No one is stopping you tweeting.

All that has happened I'd Macklin has exercised his right not to be contacted by you.


Get over yourself. Carry on expressing your views. Just don't expect everyone to want to read your views.

Such a snowflake. Not everyone wants to hear your views. You don't have a right to force people to listen to your keyboard warrior outpourings

I dont want to be told off by you spen. you're talking nonsense ( as usual). i dont force my views on anyone.
You seem to be the one, once again, thats forcing your views on us all

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:22 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

You're not a man with an opinion or two. You're a man who seems to think he has got to have an opinion on everything and who gets annoyed or angry if anyone ever points out how silly those opinions are, which contradicts your position that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

You're also someone who comes to impulsive conclusions, will hold a grudge and are too stubborn to revise an opinion or change your mind. You called Ling a footballing pygmy 18 months ago and said the club would have no success with him in charge. Even after he oversaw the club gaining promotion you couldn't bring yourself to say anything positive or revise your opinion and have just gone back to slating him when you can. That's probably why Macklin blocked you.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:21 pm Think it did otherwise you'd have responded to him.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:32 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:21 pm Think it did otherwise you'd have responded to him.

Im not bothered by him Thor......hes a moron as far as Im concerned. He makes me laugh tbh. I couldnt stop laughing when reading that. I dont need to respond to him

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:14 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:22 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:50 pm Let me make a few things clearer
First, i agree Macklin has every right to express an opinion thats different from mine........what slightly bothers me is, he isnt too happy for anyone else to express theirs.
My original tweet said something like i wouldnt trust Martin Ling to choose the right man to be head coach, before CF was chosen ( I wasnt too far wrong, as things turned out)
Thats it..i didnt swear, i didnt use derogatory language at all, and his reply was not commensurate with what i said, IMO. I have no bones about him having a different opinion to me, as I already said, but he wouldnt allow me to have a different opinion to him. During the DM, i said"we're all entitled to have an opinion and you seem to be shutting down on dissenting voices"
Finally, i dont consider myself a keyboard warrior..........just a man with an opinion or two, that generally makes it in a fairly polite manner

You're not a man with an opinion or two. You're a man who seems to think he has got to have an opinion on everything and who gets annoyed or angry if anyone ever points out how silly those opinions are, which contradicts your position that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

You're also someone who comes to impulsive conclusions, will hold a grudge and are too stubborn to revise an opinion or change your mind. You called Ling a footballing pygmy 18 months ago and said the club would have no success with him in charge. Even after he oversaw the club gaining promotion you couldn't bring yourself to say anything positive or revise your opinion and have just gone back to slating him when you can. That's probably why Macklin blocked you.

Thats me told eh?

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:06 pm He’s not untouchable. But he’d really have to foul up before T & T got rid of him. But IMO he’ll never recommend a person as manager/head coach who he saw as knowing more than he did and therefore a possible threat to him. That’s one reason they’ll not offer the job to Russell

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:57 pm

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:06 pm He’s not untouchable. But he’d really have to foul up before T & T got rid of him. But IMO he’ll never recommend a person as manager/head coach who he saw as knowing more than he did and therefore a possible threat to him. That’s one reason they’ll not offer the job to Russell

After yesterday’s Q&A what’s your opinion now? I’m not so sure he came across well, that he handled the questions well and was very defensive. Which was in contrast to Nigel who was being open, honest and engaging. Having worked for American companies I’m not so sure they would have been impressed with the public face of the football side.