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He should be ashamed of giving a young player with little prospect of any meaningful football a chance to go out and play first team football at the level we were playing at just a few months ago. Okay...Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:16 pm Lung should be ashamed. If he was a relative, this would not have happened.
Based on 50+ yrs of watching football, and 40+ yrs of coaching young players.
Are you for real? Not giving a talented youngster a chance is the real distasteful moment here. Not surprising, as your political comments show zero empathy for all.
No, not okay. He has been given zero opportunities whilst a nul fut like Alabi keeps on trying to prove our DOF ‘right’.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:00 pmHe should be ashamed of giving a young player with little prospect of any meaningful football a chance to go out and play first team football at the level we were playing at just a few months ago. Okay...Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:16 pm Lung should be ashamed. If he was a relative, this would not have happened.
Not really; it's not exactly rocket science and something anyone can come up with if you just take a minute to think about it.Lucky7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:59 pmJeez you sound like a social worker not a football fanSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:56 pmAlways love it when a guesser has their bluff called.
As for being a different player...that would still have been a valid reason. Different players have different development curves and are on different paths depending on their level of ability and potential ceiling. There's no one size fits all approach to developing players.
Get a grip
Him going out on loan is giving him an opportunity, though.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:08 pmNo, not okay. He has been given zero opportunities whilst a nul fut like Alabi keeps on trying to prove our DOF ‘right’.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:00 pmHe should be ashamed of giving a young player with little prospect of any meaningful football a chance to go out and play first team football at the level we were playing at just a few months ago. Okay...Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:16 pm Lung should be ashamed. If he was a relative, this would not have happened.
For once.
Well let's see what happens for him at Dover. If he is as good as you claim because of your apparent experience (which tbf hasn't really served you well on football matters generally) then you'd have no issue with him going out on loan, proving he is a class act and then because he's as good as you say he is being in the team when he's back because he has proved himself playing against grown men at a lower level. Your only issue would be if he came back from loan having done really well and not getting a chance. So I'm still not sure what your beef is. You do realise there's more to a season or career than just "now", don't you?ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:06 pmBased on 50+ yrs of watching football, and 40+ yrs of coaching young players.
You know in a split second whether a young man has 'it', and Ruel has.
He is quick both physically and mentally, i suppose what youd call a footballers brain
Hope that helps
You are indeed right.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:48 pmHim going out on loan is giving him an opportunity, though.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:08 pmNo, not okay. He has been given zero opportunities whilst a nul fut like Alabi keeps on trying to prove our DOF ‘right’.
For once.
He didn’t go out on loan when he was part of the 1st team set upSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:39 pmNot really; it's not exactly rocket science and something anyone can come up with if you just take a minute to think about it.Lucky7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:59 pmJeez you sound like a social worker not a football fanSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:56 pm
Always love it when a guesser has their bluff called.
As for being a different player...that would still have been a valid reason. Different players have different development curves and are on different paths depending on their level of ability and potential ceiling. There's no one size fits all approach to developing players.
Get a grip
You're just deflecting away from the fact you were totally wrong about Odubajo despite posting so certainly about him.
None of it. Just accept you're wrong and hope for better luck with your next guessLucky7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:01 pmHe didn’t go out on loan when he was part of the 1st team set upSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:39 pmNot really; it's not exactly rocket science and something anyone can come up with if you just take a minute to think about it.
You're just deflecting away from the fact you were totally wrong about Odubajo despite posting so certainly about him.
Which bit is hard for you to get your head around?
Read the facts and then get back to meSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 pmNone of it. Just accept you're wrong and hope for better luck with your next guessLucky7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:01 pmHe didn’t go out on loan when he was part of the 1st team set upSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:39 pm
Not really; it's not exactly rocket science and something anyone can come up with if you just take a minute to think about it.
You're just deflecting away from the fact you were totally wrong about Odubajo despite posting so certainly about him.
Which bit is hard for you to get your head around?
I'd rather the best decision is made on the two considerations; the first team right now, and a young player's development for the future.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:50 pmYou are indeed right.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:48 pmHim going out on loan is giving him an opportunity, though.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:08 pm
No, not okay. He has been given zero opportunities whilst a nul fut like Alabi keeps on trying to prove our DOF ‘right’.
For once.
Here is a prescient question - would you rather he gets an opportunity with us or Alabi continues to?
This is clearly the point that people can't understand. It's not just about "now". It's about the rest of this season and the kid's career.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pmI'd rather the best decision is made on the two considerations; the first team right now, and a young player's development for the future.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:50 pmYou are indeed right.
Here is a prescient question - would you rather he gets an opportunity with us or Alabi continues to?
The impact of the loan deal on the first is negligible because Ruel is not near being a first teamer at this stage. The impact of the loan on the second is quite clearly the best for Ruel's development.
This. There are two separate issues, which need to be kept separate.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:05 pmThis is clearly the point that people can't understand. It's not just about "now". It's about the rest of this season and the kid's career.Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pmI'd rather the best decision is made on the two considerations; the first team right now, and a young player's development for the future.Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:50 pm
You are indeed right.
Here is a prescient question - would you rather he gets an opportunity with us or Alabi continues to?
The impact of the loan deal on the first is negligible because Ruel is not near being a first teamer at this stage. The impact of the loan on the second is quite clearly the best for Ruel's development.
I'd rather we used Alabi off the bench for the next month or two if it means we get Sotiriou up to speed, getting used to playing against men and seeing if he is as good as some are making him out to be rather then chucking him in and hoping for the best. Short term pain for long term gain.
I got that right then !
But ComeOnYouOs has 50+ years of being a fan and 40+ years of coaching. Think you must be wrong.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:50 am I have seen Ruel play a few times and for me he is not ready for the first team yet, If he played, then perhaps coming off the subs bench for something like the last quarter of a game if we were say leading comfortably something like 3-1 or so. So a loan out to Dover and the chance of a game should be good for him at this stage of his development. I should imagine, especially at the start of his loan, perhaps coming off the Dover subs bench ( unless they have injury problems and are short of forwards ? ) and he will have to earn the right to get a place in their starting line up. If he comes good, then perhaps later on this season, may get a chance in some of Orients first team games.
SF why do you feel it is necessary to become sarcastic?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:37 pmBut ComeOnYouOs has 50+ years of being a fan and 40+ years of coaching. Think you must be wrong.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:50 am I have seen Ruel play a few times and for me he is not ready for the first team yet, If he played, then perhaps coming off the subs bench for something like the last quarter of a game if we were say leading comfortably something like 3-1 or so. So a loan out to Dover and the chance of a game should be good for him at this stage of his development. I should imagine, especially at the start of his loan, perhaps coming off the Dover subs bench ( unless they have injury problems and are short of forwards ? ) and he will have to earn the right to get a place in their starting line up. If he comes good, then perhaps later on this season, may get a chance in some of Orients first team games.
No, not okay. Ling should be ashamed of giving a two year contract to a nul futRed_Army wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:00 pmHe should be ashamed of giving a young player with little prospect of any meaningful football a chance to go out and play first team football at the level we were playing at just a few months ago. Okay...Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:16 pm Lung should be ashamed. If he was a relative, this would not have happened.