completely useless

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Just not realistic to loan him out now is it.

Wilkinson has a 3 game ban, Angol is out injured. We can't sign anyone else apart from a free transfer who might need some time to get fit.

Dennis has had some of the same laughable finishes as Alabi without attracting the same ridicule and shouldn't be considered as a striker.

Not really sure it is much of a confidence issue, more of an ability issue. But it is what it is now, and we are short of numbers up front.

No comparison between Dennis and Alabi as footballers. One is, one isn’t.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Just not realistic to loan him out now is it.

Wilkinson has a 3 game ban, Angol is out injured. We can't sign anyone else apart from a free transfer who might need some time to get fit.

Dennis has had some of the same laughable finishes as Alabi without attracting the same ridicule and shouldn't be considered as a striker.

Not really sure it is much of a confidence issue, more of an ability issue. But it is what it is now, and we are short of numbers up front.

No comparison between Dennis and Alabi as footballers. One is, one isn’t.

Stupid comment.

If anybody on this forum has ever played against professional players they will know that anybody who gets to be a pro is bloody good.

I’ve been lucky enough to play against lower league players and I can tell you they are way above the average Joe in ability. Way above. The question with Alabi is not whether he is a professional footballer or not, he IS, but at what level he should be playing.

[eagwgw]

Semantics really. At the very bottom level of pro/semi-pro there will be part-timers who are actually better than pros, but are not full time because of other factors such as other interests or location.

The bottom line is, Alabi ain't good enough for us and probably League football. I don't really care too much what club he gets after.

The fact that a player will achieve a playing career way in excess of anyone here is not real exemption from criticism.

I agree with RedO, of course he isn't being literal. But a guy like Alabi I don't think is that uncommon, I would imagine he would have had a massive physical advantage over his peer group growing up (think what lads like Demteriou looked like at 18). But as that peer group gets older, that advantage disappears and ability becomes more important.

He has gotten his moves to Tranmere and us off the back of what happened at Chester, IMO he benefited there from being played to his strengths and also being an unknown quantity to start. I think he would have a tough time replicating those returns now because most managers will know what he is about.

[spen666]

Semantics really. At the very bottom level of pro/semi-pro there will be part-timers who are actually better than pros, but are not full time because of other factors such as other interests or location.

....

Undoubtedly the case.

I know of one current National League North player who has turned down several offers of full time football because as he says, he is mid - late 20s married with kids and a good career outside the game and won't uproot his family , give up his career for a couple of years playing L1/ L2 football. He is undoubtedly capable of playing at that level.

Ironically, he is a striker and would fit well into the Orient line up.

The opportunity for full time football came too late for him

[BIGRON]

I've spoken to James at a couple af away games and he's a great bloke who's always got time for people , unfortunately things are not working out for him on the pitch , i would just love some of his haters to call him completely useless to his face !!

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Why are you encouraging supporters to abuse James? That's awful.

[Cheshunto]

I've spoken to James at a couple af away games and he's a great bloke who's always got time for people , unfortunately things are not working out for him on the pitch , i would just love some of his haters to call him completely useless to his face !!

I also spent some minutes chatting to James last season in the Legends Lounge when he wasn’t playing. He came across as a really nice guy, friendly and happy to talk.
I wish him good luck whether he stays with us or not. It annoys me to see boarders on here slagging him off for what he did or didn’t do in his TWO minute cameo on Saturday.
He needs a move away ASAP.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Semantics really. At the very bottom level of pro/semi-pro there will be part-timers who are actually better than pros, but are not full time because of other factors such as other interests or location.

The bottom line is, Alabi ain't good enough for us and probably League football. I don't really care too much what club he gets after.

The fact that a player will achieve a playing career way in excess of anyone here is not real exemption from criticism.

I agree with RedO, of course he isn't being literal. But a guy like Alabi I don't think is that uncommon, I would imagine he would have had a massive physical advantage over his peer group growing up (think what lads like Demteriou looked like at 18). But as that peer group gets older, that advantage disappears and ability becomes more important.

He has gotten his moves to Tranmere and us off the back of what happened at Chester, IMO he benefited there from being played to his strengths and also being an unknown quantity to start. I think he would have a tough time replicating those returns now because most managers will know what he is about.

Where have I said semi pro footballers are not good enough for a pro career. Just to correct you, I have not. What I did say is anybody becoming a pro will be good. He needs to find his level, which ain’t L2. But under the right circumstances he may well flourish. Calling him not a footballer is stupid and insulting.

[eagwgw]

The point being it's meaningless that a footballer is 'good'. He is likely in the top 1% of all people that play the game. What counts if he is good enough for us.

Alabi hasn't got a footballing brain, in my opinion. In my book that 'he isn't a player' is interchangeable and pretty much is shorthand for 'he hasn't got the skills to operate at this level'.

You see fans at the very top level making other so-called jibes like 'stealing a living' even though those players will be in the absolute elite of all players. Again, just shorthand for saying he ain't good enough.

There's been worse comments made at other players in the past, who have played less games. Did anyone defend Rowan Liburd or Calvin Andrew and their pro contracts? TBH given the amount of games Alabi has had I actually think the fans attitude towards him is very generous and not insulting at all.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I've spoken to James at a couple af away games and he's a great bloke who's always got time for people , unfortunately things are not working out for him on the pitch , i would just love some of his haters to call him completely useless to his face !!

I also spent some minutes chatting to James last season in the Legends Lounge when he wasn’t playing. He came across as a really nice guy, friendly and happy to talk.
I wish him good luck whether he stays with us or not. It annoys me to see boarders on here slagging him off for what he did or didn’t do in his TWO minute cameo on Saturday.
He needs a move away ASAP.

Yes, no one is saying anything negative about him as a person. Everyone says he's lovely.

Agreed he needs a move away but, unsurprisingly, there are no takers.

[redintheface]

I feel sorry for the boy tbh. During his brief stint on the pitch Saturday a lot of people in the TJS were genuinely laughing at him!

[Chief crazy horse]

The point being it's meaningless that a footballer is 'good'. He is likely in the top 1% of all people that play the game. What counts if he is good enough for us.

Alabi hasn't got a footballing brain, in my opinion. In my book that 'he isn't a player' is interchangeable and pretty much is shorthand for 'he hasn't got the skills to operate at this level'.

You see fans at the very top level making other so-called jibes like 'stealing a living' even though those players will be in the absolute elite of all players. Again, just shorthand for saying he ain't good enough.

There's been worse comments made at other players in the past, who have played less games. Did anyone defend Rowan Liburd or Calvin Andrew and their pro contracts? TBH given the amount of games Alabi has had I actually think the fans attitude towards him is very generous and not insulting at all.

The bottom line is Alabi is a professional footballer whether he has a footballing brain or not. Whatever 'worse comments' were made to other players, he does not deserve to have a banner headline attributed to him, especially from his own fans, as, "completely useless."

[Max B Gold]

The point being it's meaningless that a footballer is 'good'. He is likely in the top 1% of all people that play the game. What counts if he is good enough for us.

Alabi hasn't got a footballing brain, in my opinion. In my book that 'he isn't a player' is interchangeable and pretty much is shorthand for 'he hasn't got the skills to operate at this level'.

You see fans at the very top level making other so-called jibes like 'stealing a living' even though those players will be in the absolute elite of all players. Again, just shorthand for saying he ain't good enough.

There's been worse comments made at other players in the past, who have played less games. Did anyone defend Rowan Liburd or Calvin Andrew and their pro contracts? TBH given the amount of games Alabi has had I actually think the fans attitude towards him is very generous and not insulting at all.

The bottom line is Alabi is a professional footballer whether he has a footballing brain or not. Whatever 'worse comments' were made to other players, he does not deserve to have a banner headline attributed to him, especially from his own fans, as, "completely useless."

Agreed Horse""""yyyyy.

This is not a very nice thing to do to one of our own. It's one unfortunate downside to the interspazz that bitter and stupid people get to spread their crap to a wider audience.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I feel sorry for the boy tbh. During his brief stint on the pitch Saturday a lot of people in the TJS were genuinely laughing at him!

Same around me.

But it's not funny. Not in the slightest.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The point being it's meaningless that a footballer is 'good'. He is likely in the top 1% of all people that play the game. What counts if he is good enough for us.

Alabi hasn't got a footballing brain, in my opinion. In my book that 'he isn't a player' is interchangeable and pretty much is shorthand for 'he hasn't got the skills to operate at this level'.

You see fans at the very top level making other so-called jibes like 'stealing a living' even though those players will be in the absolute elite of all players. Again, just shorthand for saying he ain't good enough.

There's been worse comments made at other players in the past, who have played less games. Did anyone defend Rowan Liburd or Calvin Andrew and their pro contracts? TBH given the amount of games Alabi has had I actually think the fans attitude towards him is very generous and not insulting at all.

The bottom line is Alabi is a professional footballer whether he has a footballing brain or not. Whatever 'worse comments' were made to other players, he does not deserve to have a banner headline attributed to him, especially from his own fans, as, "completely useless."

Have you ever been to a football match before?

Imagine getting upset at a football player being described as 'useless'. What a delicate little petal you are.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

The point being it's meaningless that a footballer is 'good'. He is likely in the top 1% of all people that play the game. What counts if he is good enough for us.

Alabi hasn't got a footballing brain, in my opinion. In my book that 'he isn't a player' is interchangeable and pretty much is shorthand for 'he hasn't got the skills to operate at this level'.

You see fans at the very top level making other so-called jibes like 'stealing a living' even though those players will be in the absolute elite of all players. Again, just shorthand for saying he ain't good enough.

There's been worse comments made at other players in the past, who have played less games. Did anyone defend Rowan Liburd or Calvin Andrew and their pro contracts? TBH given the amount of games Alabi has had I actually think the fans attitude towards him is very generous and not insulting at all.

The bottom line is Alabi is a professional footballer whether he has a footballing brain or not. Whatever 'worse comments' were made to other players, he does not deserve to have a banner headline attributed to him, especially from his own fans, as, "completely useless."

Have you ever been to a football match before?

Imagine getting upset at a football player being described as 'useless'. What a delicate little petal you are.

Nothing to do with being a delicate little petal. Everything to do with banding about insulting comments.

Posting was not a heat of the moment comment after an on-field cock up. We all do that, even the players I’m sure, and worse. I heard a few choice comments when Wilkinson got sent off for example.

Posting on here was a cold calculated insult. Disgraceful.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

He used the word 'useless'.

[Max B Gold]

He used the word 'useless'.

Some things are just better left unsaid.

Anyway useless goes with Eustace not completely.

[Thor]

Eustace was useless trust me on that one. He coached me and he was appaling.

[Max B Gold]

Eustace was useless trust me on that one. He coached me and he was appaling.

I know I read your posts.

Maximillian Bronstein Gold Enterprises Inc are aiming to provide Boardin' Coachin' lessons soon for £25 an hour once I've stocked up on unpaid interns to do the work for free.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Eustace was useless trust me on that one. He coached me and he was appaling.

I know I read your posts.

Maximillian Bronstein Gold Enterprises Inc are aiming to provide Boardin' Coachin' lessons soon for £25 an hour once I've stocked up on unpaid interns to do the work for free.

What do the interns get out of it? If the answer is nothing you won’t get any. Which is the point

[Max B Gold]

Eustace was useless trust me on that one. He coached me and he was appaling.

I know I read your posts.

Maximillian Bronstein Gold Enterprises Inc are aiming to provide Boardin' Coachin' lessons soon for £25 an hour once I've stocked up on unpaid interns to do the work for free.

What do the interns get out of it? If the answer is nothing you won’t get any. Which is the point

Wrong thread bud. We've already shredded your "argument" on the other thread. You lost. There's no way back for you by using an unrelated thread as a back door.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I know I read your posts.

Maximillian Bronstein Gold Enterprises Inc are aiming to provide Boardin' Coachin' lessons soon for £25 an hour once I've stocked up on unpaid interns to do the work for free.

What do the interns get out of it? If the answer is nothing you won’t get any. Which is the point

Wrong thread bud. We've already shredded your "argument" on the other thread. You lost. There's no way back for you by using an unrelated thread as a back door.

Just responding to you Max. I accept your surrender

[Chief crazy horse]

The bottom line is Alabi is a professional footballer whether he has a footballing brain or not. Whatever 'worse comments' were made to other players, he does not deserve to have a banner headline attributed to him, especially from his own fans, as, "completely useless."

Have you ever been to a football match before?

Imagine getting upset at a football player being described as 'useless'. What a delicate little petal you are.

Nothing to do with being a delicate little petal. Everything to do with banding about insulting comments.

Posting was not a heat of the moment comment after an on-field cock up. We all do that, even the players I’m sure, and worse. I heard a few choice comments when Wilkinson got sent off for example.

Posting on here was a cold calculated insult. Disgraceful.

Thanks, you've more or less said what I was going to say. I trust you can see the big difference, Red.

[Disoriented]

Personally I would put him out for a month on loan a couple of divisions down, Isthmian Prem or the like, offer to pay 70% of his wage, there will be takers. He may suddenly find form and confidence and return a different prospect. Alternatively he could fail miserably which will put any last hope to bed. That's what I would do anyway, give it a last roll of the dice

Fair point Andy but I fear club stubbornness may scupper this. Someone would lose face.