Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:41 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:20 am

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:09 am
My god another clown who has been brainwashed by Sky Sports.
I tell you what, we could play any system you like against any Premiership club and will get hammered in almost every game. It’s about the quality of the players you have and generally the ones with bigger budgets will finish higher.
Of course if you have a manager the players don’t believe in then you have no chance.
There you go a nice free lesson for you.

I don't have SKY Sports or BT Sports and I certainly don't value the banal punditry or archaic analysis you get on there. If anything they would agree with you, not me, because they're neanderthals. The game is still XI individuals vs XI individuals in their minds.

Seriously, apply for the Orient job. Write your CV laying out what you have said here. Let us know how it goes.

I’m not lowering myself.
They can contact me if they are interested.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:13 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:41 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:20 am

I don't have SKY Sports or BT Sports and I certainly don't value the banal punditry or archaic analysis you get on there. If anything they would agree with you, not me, because they're neanderthals. The game is still XI individuals vs XI individuals in their minds.

Seriously, apply for the Orient job. Write your CV laying out what you have said here. Let us know how it goes.

I’m not lowering myself.
They can contact me if they are interested.

So...why do clubs bother then? If you're not Porto, Benfica or Sporting why turn up to the Portuguese league? They've got better players and better managers than you, so the only logical thing to do is to throw your hands in the air and forfeit the game. They don't do that and never have. They develop systems to overcome the superior opposition. These systems will seldom be simple instructions to the wingers to get down the line or for the central defenders to find row Z. Why did Alex Ferguson delegate Man Utd's tactical approach to Carlos Quieroz? Because at a European level he was getting found out. What worked in backward Britain didn't work against the more tactically sophisticated Spanish.etc Why did the 4-5-1/4-3-3 take off in England? Because Mourinho showed how much more effective it was than the traditional 4-4-2 week after week. Eventually the penny dropped and British managers adapted. Even Wenger resisted but eventually had to admit that 4-3-3's create a world of problems for 4-4-2's and 4-4-1-1's. Wenger developed a variant of the 4-2-3-1 which sort of worked, for a while although it never rivalled the 4-3-3 for defensive solidity.

Even sunday league teams have to have a chat before the game about who gets forward into space and when and who's providing support/cover and where. Where will you defend from (defensive line), where will you engage from (line of engagement), will you defend the flanks and force the opposition inside or defend the box and push the opposition wide. Will you go man to man? Will you be zonal, or will you go with a mixed plan?

So you've got your plan A. What about if its not working? What about if the opposition are counter-acting your system? You'll need a plan B. If you go ahead will you go for more, or try and defend your lead? What about if you go behind? Do you change? What about if you go a man down or your tough tackling midfielder picks up an early yellow?

All these and more are basic questions that a team has to know or they'll be at sixes and sevens. Everyone has to know what they're doing in all phases of play.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:56 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:13 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:41 pm

I’m not lowering myself.
They can contact me if they are interested.

So...why do clubs bother then? If you're not Porto, Benfica or Sporting why turn up to the Portuguese league? They've got better players and better managers than you, so the only logical thing to do is to throw your hands in the air and forfeit the game. They don't do that and never have. They develop systems to overcome the superior opposition. These systems will seldom be simple instructions to the wingers to get down the line or for the central defenders to find row Z. Why did Alex Ferguson delegate Man Utd's tactical approach to Carlos Quieroz? Because at a European level he was getting found out. What worked in backward Britain didn't work against the more tactically sophisticated Spanish.etc Why did the 4-5-1/4-3-3 take off in England? Because Mourinho showed how much more effective it was than the traditional 4-4-2 week after week. Eventually the penny dropped and British managers adapted. Even Wenger resisted but eventually had to admit that 4-3-3's create a world of problems for 4-4-2's and 4-4-1-1's. Wenger developed a variant of the 4-2-3-1 which sort of worked, for a while although it never rivalled the 4-3-3 for defensive solidity.

Even sunday league teams have to have a chat before the game about who gets forward into space and when and who's providing support/cover and where. Where will you defend from (defensive line), where will you engage from (line of engagement), will you defend the flanks and force the opposition inside or defend the box and push the opposition wide. Will you go man to man? Will you be zonal, or will you go with a mixed plan?

So you've got your plan A. What about if its not working? What about if the opposition are counter-acting your system? You'll need a plan B. If you go ahead will you go for more, or try and defend your lead? What about if you go behind? Do you change? What about if you go a man down or your tough tackling midfielder picks up an early yellow?

All these and more are basic questions that a team has to know or they'll be at sixes and sevens. Everyone has to know what they're doing in all phases of play.

What a load of old b———-is.
Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

Bill Shankly