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dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

HAHAHAHAHA - so you clearly still admire this lying piece of ordure. Well that speaks volumes about you. Courageous? That's just so ridiculous to be completely laughable. You backed Beelzebub and now you're backing Boris. Once again, that clearly demonstrates your judgement, or complete lack of.

Supreme Court 11 v Boris Johnson 0
Winston Churchill, Maggie Thatcher, Teresa May, Laura Kuenssberg.......your boy took a hell of a beating

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:04 pm Cant see him resigning unless forced to. Opposition want him to resign but dont want an election yet. So I guess the current outlook is

extension
election
???????

Agree he probably won't resign. That would need integrity and he doesn't have any. Best bet is he'll try and spin the decision as political in some way and bluster/lie on. What comes next, Dominic is still considering.......

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Oh yes they can doubt where he stands, and no, his views are not clear.

The man constantly lies - it's his first instinct in any situation to say the first thing that comes into his head - true or, more often, not - to get his way or to deflect any challenge.

He's barely on nodding terms with the truth - so how can anyone believe "where he stands"?

Another Tory bunfight of an leadership election?
Miss another leaving date?
Someone has to ask for an extention?
Government of National Unity?
Referendum mk 2?
General election?

but not necessarily in that order.

Mikero

I'm waiting for Byways1 to tell us that Boris should resign straight away and Sol Campbell is absolutely the best man for his job

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:08 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

HAHAHAHAHA - so you clearly still admire this lying piece of ordure. Well that speaks volumes about you. Courageous? That's just so ridiculous to be completely laughable. You backed Beelzebub and now you're backing Boris. Once again, that clearly demonstrates your judgement, or complete lack of.

Jeez. I made my feeling about Boris crystal before he became PM. Don’t like him, never have and never will. The guy is a chancer. Have I made that clear even to you. Go back and read my comments during the election campaign. DONT LIKE THE GUY. DIDNT WANT HIM AS PM. CLEAR. I’d clap my hands if he got jail time.

That does not stop me from taking an objective view of his ability to take up a position and do what he can to get his way. The contrast between him stating his aims, whether you agree with then or not and going for it, and Corbyn who I’m still not sure where he stands, is stark.

One is a leader, one is not.

Ah - so Boris being found to have acted unlawfully can be pivoted to having a pop at Corbyn.

I see.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:19 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:08 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

HAHAHAHAHA - so you clearly still admire this lying piece of ordure. Well that speaks volumes about you. Courageous? That's just so ridiculous to be completely laughable. You backed Beelzebub and now you're backing Boris. Once again, that clearly demonstrates your judgement, or complete lack of.

Jeez. I made my feeling about Boris crystal before he became PM. Don’t like him, never have and never will. The guy is a chancer. Have I made that clear even to you. Go back and read my comments during the election campaign. DONT LIKE THE GUY. DIDNT WANT HIM AS PM. CLEAR. I’d clap my hands if he got jail time.

That does not stop me from taking an objective view of his ability to take up a position and do what he can to get his way. The contrast between him stating his aims, whether you agree with then or not and going for it, and Corbyn who I’m still not sure where he stands, is stark.

One is a leader, one is not.

So you think he's a chancer - let's agree on that. I certainly wouldn't waste any time checking what you might, or might not have previously written - life's too short. However, you applaud him for taking a position and going for it. I can only assume that the fact that he broke the law in doing so is of no consequence to you? You don't mind that he lies, breaks the law and abuses the rights of Parliament because "going for it" is the most important thing? I refer back to my comments about your lack of judgement.

Any comparisons to your perception of Corbyn are irrelevant and not worth commenting on. This is about Boris the liar being caught in the act by the highest Court in the land - as you well know.

Mikero wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:14 pm Another Tory bunfight of an leadership election?
Miss another leaving date?
Someone has to ask for an extention?
Government of National Unity?
Referendum mk 2?
General election?

but not necessarily in that order.

Mikero

Think we need to face facts. Brexit is unlikely to happen. Despite Boris still talking about leaving, can’t see it happening. The will of the majority will lose out to the will of the minority because its easy to just continually put barriers in the way.

Time to call a halt to this farce, another referendum or an election is the only way forward. The only winners are the EU who will be invigorated, feeling they can do whatever they want and the Uk will just meekly comply.

This is very funny

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:26 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

The democracy was trying to implement the outcome of the referendum Max. The way he went about it was plain stupid. I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:26 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

The democracy was trying to implement the outcome of the referendum Max. The way he went about it was plain stupid. I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

Suggest what you like, the Supreme Court thinks otherwise.

Is this all part of a plan by Cummings and boris which will end up taking us past 31/10 then we are out without a deal. Is there thought behind what they are doing?

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:26 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

The democracy was trying to implement the outcome of the referendum Max. The way he went about it was plain stupid. I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

I did say stop writing like a 14 year old.

The remainers have the democratic right to argue their position in parliament. The fact that a political resolution of the situation has not yet been reached is unfortunate but that is how democracy works. The referendum was purely advisory.

You are confusing the political process working its self out with not getting Brexit.

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:46 pm Is this all part of a plan by Cummings and boris which will end up taking us past 31/10 then we are out without a deal. Is there thought behind what they are doing?

I'm not sure that they can. There's the recent law passed stating that he HAS to ask for an extension if he can't get a deal through Parly - I don't think he can ignore that.

I wonder too, with Parly resuming, whether he's going to be facing questions on his "cash for access" issue while Mayor. It's not just Brexit scrutiny he's going to be facing.

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:46 pm Is this all part of a plan by Cummings and boris which will end up taking us past 31/10 then we are out without a deal. Is there thought behind what they are doing?

Perhaps but parliament is still in session and there is a Law which prevents us leaving without a deal. Any plan which ignores the law is not a very good one. Cummings Aht!

I can’t stand Boris Johnson and the only skin I have in the game is large GBP long positions so i am not bothered per se. The way I see it, you are either on the side of good. The hard working people of this country that voted to leave the EU. Or you are on the side of evil. Gina miller. Goldman Sachs. George Soros. Tony Blair. Judges. And every other establishment figure that are petrified they are about to lose their god given right to be right. And money.

You see max as you know a law was passed, but the pm said he won't ask for an extension, which puts him against parliament. I guess he losses that battle, probably goes to jail, but we leave with no deal?

Cummings appears to be dodgy, and you cant trust people like that.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:05 pm I can’t stand Boris Johnson and the only skin I have in the game is large GBP long positions so i am not bothered per se. The way I see it, you are either on the side of good. The hard working people of this country that voted to leave the EU. Or you are on the side of evil. Gina miller. Goldman Sachs. George Soros. Tony Blair. Judges. And every other establishment figure that are petrified they are about to lose their god given right to be right. And money.

But I thought that the prorogation "wasn't about Brexit" - so what's with all the "hard working people who voted" stuff about?

But well done for betting on the currency so you gain personally from all this chaos.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:05 pm I can’t stand Boris Johnson and the only skin I have in the game is large GBP long positions so i am not bothered per se. The way I see it, you are either on the side of good. The hard working people of this country that voted to leave the EU. Or you are on the side of evil. Gina miller. Goldman Sachs. George Soros. Tony Blair. Judges. And every other establishment figure that are petrified they are about to lose their god given right to be right. And money.

Well said.

We should all stand with those good, hard working people, the anti establishment, such as Boris, Jacob Rees Mogg, Nigel Furrage etc etc.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:05 pm I can’t stand Boris Johnson and the only skin I have in the game is large GBP long positions so i am not bothered per se. The way I see it, you are either on the side of good. The hard working people of this country that voted to leave the EU. Or you are on the side of evil. Gina miller. Goldman Sachs. George Soros. Tony Blair. Judges. And every other establishment figure that are petrified they are about to lose their god given right to be right. And money.

Side of evil. Really?

This talking point of some kind of ongoing worldwide left wing, deep state conspiracy.

The Right wing/Far right have lost the plot worldwide. It's the same in the US and obviously, some people are so easily manipulated, gullible, ignorant, brain washed and possibly under educated.

Yes, far right wannabe dictators like Victor Orbin in Hungry will certainly back you up with your argument. Crazy talk.

Just heard Boris the Bullshitter on responding to the Supreme courts decision, what a disgrace, the man is living in an another planet, a fantasy land. I respect the decision but I completely disagree with the decision.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Are you writing about Boris Johnson? He continually changes his viewpoint depending on the way the political wind blows.

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