Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:29 pm Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:01 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:58 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:16 pm Well said Gilso.

Why? Although I would agree with the broad thrust of what he said, this clamping down on any dissent or alternative opinions is very worrying. Invoking JE’s name to add emotion to the current situation is unseemly.

Poundhill and others are entitled to their opinion - it is hardly distasteful.

It's applying pressure, or trying to spread doubt. It's all negative stuff, which isn't good. We were unlucky to get nothing yesterday, but obviously the defensive mistakes need sorting. I just think people need to rally behind Ross and be a bit patient.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:58 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:44 pm Whilst the intent is genuine, there really should be a case for banning drinking & posting......

I think the bottle of beer I had with Darin Burrows pre match yesterday was only the 2nd I have had this year. Rarely touch alcohol old boy.

Reflecto wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:39 pm Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:28 pm Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:26 pm

Reflecto wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:39 pm Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

A comment that says it as it is. We are not playing well and we have an interim manager who despite trying his best, is on the evidence so far, not up to the job. An experienced manager needs to come in and also be free to bring his own no 2 in with him if that is what he wants. We have no god given right not to get relegated and if we do not up our performances soon, we may well be down in the bottom couple of teams. Complacency is not an option.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:56 pm

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:29 pm Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:43 am

Byways1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:56 pm

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:29 pm Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Your figures are wrong, loss will be less this year. Believe it or not business works on a plan and there are targets set. You will have good months and not so good ones along the way. But if you stick to a formula that you know works then you should get there.
I think it strange there are people actually inferring 2 millionaire businessman don't actually know what they're doing. I would trust their judgement tbh.
They won't be swayed by 50 or 60 vocal people on social media. They will be swayed by results overall, but they are mindful of everything that surrounded the appointment and the time needed to recover and adjust.
If they need to change things they will, but they are not trigger happy.
We had FB behaving like some of you, sacking people the moment things weren't great, look where that got us!

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:30 pm Hear hear.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:29 am Of course they can get booed, the same as if they perform well they get cheered.
But the majority of fans understand the unique situation we found ourselves in close season.
We couldn't appoint a new manager really, what a situation for him to walk into, it would have been nigh on impossible for him.
We went with either a Ross/Danny or a Danny/Ross partnership and they chose the former.
We have to allow a bit more time for things to turn round
As I've said, if Ross decides it's not for him then I am sure he'd make that known to Martin. But give him a chance. It really is the same usual suspects baying for blood. Seriously, let's come back in 10 games time and see where we are.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:29 am Of course they can get booed, the same as if they perform well they get cheered.
But the majority of fans understand the unique situation we found ourselves in close season.
We couldn't appoint a new manager really, what a situation for him to walk into, it would have been nigh on impossible for him.
We went with either a Ross/Danny or a Danny/Ross partnership and they chose the former.
We have to allow a bit more time for things to turn round
As I've said, if Ross decides it's not for him then I am sure he'd make that known to Martin. But give him a chance. It really is the same usual suspects baying for blood. Seriously, let's come back in 10 games time and see where we are.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:20 am Andy, I thought Dicko’s comments were spot on and accurate. You bent over backwards to apologise when one was neither required nor warrented, it’s a opinion and a right one as it goes.

Now your going o.t.t over the interim managers role, it’s quite clear that he is out of his depth, mistake after mistake being made, I feel for RE I really do, undertaking a job in terrible circumstances and I applaud him for doing so. I also get the reasoning from the club and support their decision.

However, it’s quite clear to see this is not working, I fear he will be damaged beyond repair if this continues much longer. You can say “he will go back to his old role” the issue being the damage may be so bad that the players will not accept him as a coach again as they have lost all respect for him at that point. We are not there yet as the players are still playing for him. I hope that doesn’t happen, but this is football, this is how dressing rooms operate, just look at the old Chelsea dressing room to see what happens with player power.

We are walking a very tight rope right now, I hope it doesn’t snap.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:55 am I’m wondering if this is Gilso acting on his own in an attempt to win back favour, or if someone at the club has asked him to have a word?

I don’t really frequent the other social media platforms so can’t comment on those, but I haven’t seen anything on here that warrants this sort of post. Given our position in the table and how we are playing, I think the fanbase are being reasonably restrained.

Let’s be honest, 9 times out of 10 we would have got nothing from the opening day game v Cheltenham. It’s only because of the occasion and them going down to 9 men that we scrambled the win. Without those 3 points, be position would be a more realistic reflection of where we are, and a whole lot scarier.

Most people understand and agree with the initial decision but it was only ever on an interim basis, that interim period should now be brought to a close. That’s all the moaners are saying.

Reflecto wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:39 pm Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:10 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:55 am I’m wondering if this is Gilso acting on his own in an attempt to win back favour, or if someone at the club has asked him to have a word?

I don’t really frequent the other social media platforms so can’t comment on those, but I haven’t seen anything on here that warrants this sort of post. Given our position in the table and how we are playing, I think the fanbase are being reasonably restrained.

Let’s be honest, 9 times out of 10 we would have got nothing from the opening day game v Cheltenham. It’s only because of the occasion and them going down to 9 men that we scrambled the win. Without those 3 points, be position would be a more realistic reflection of where we are, and a whole lot scarier.

Most people understand and agree with the initial decision but it was only ever on an interim basis, that interim period should now be brought to a close. That’s all the moaners are saying.

You can make the reverse point about most of our games though. We could have easily picked up extra points against Stevenage, Crawley, Exeter, Crewe and Colchester to name 5.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:14 am Doh desperately trying to claim that we should have appointed externally this summer in an attempt to prove his wisdom after a horrific run of being wrong for the past 5 years (probably more) is making me laugh this morning.

The interim position was a product of circumstance. I don't know whether Ross will turn out to be the right man or not, but he was certainly the right appointment. If him doing the role for 10-15 games makes it easier for the next man, then it will still be the right appointment.

The real embarrassment was the person sat behind me on Saturday who shouted 'You're clearly not playing for Justin'. I just wish I knew which one it was so I could have had words.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:43 am

Byways1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:56 pm

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:29 pm Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Your figures are wrong, loss will be less this year. Believe it or not business works on a plan and there are targets set. You will have good months and not so good ones along the way. But if you stick to a formula that you know works then you should get there.
I think it strange there are people actually inferring 2 millionaire businessman don't actually know what they're doing. I would trust their judgement tbh.
They won't be swayed by 50 or 60 vocal people on social media. They will be swayed by results overall, but they are mindful of everything that surrounded the appointment and the time needed to recover and adjust.
If they need to change things they will, but they are not trigger happy.
We had FB behaving like some of you, sacking people the moment things weren't great, look where that got us!