Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:27 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:00 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:55 am I remember not that long ago 4,000 would be a decent crowd. These days, if there are less than 4,000 home fans that is a disappointment. With 1,200 away fans, some okay results, holidays over and no other football in the capital apart from the England game, I'd be disappointed with anything less than 6,500.

Hi Kent.

It's true though, isn't it?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:10 pm I'm sorry to be missing Saturday's game with Swindon . I always enjoy our games against them but I have to attend a wedding . We must keep a very close eye on Eoin Doyle who is right bang on form at the moment . if we can play the way I know we can ,I reckon we should at least get a draw against them .

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:42 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

Never said it wasn’t.
We should get that every home game if we are to progress.
If it drops down to below 5000 the next home game then that is not progress.
What people seem to forget it’s income that matters not an extra few people in who pay a fiver for a £20 ticket.
We can all sell £2o notes for a fiver. Real progress is increasing income and that is difficult as previous owners have found out.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:51 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:42 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

Never said it wasn’t.
We should get that every home game if we are to progress.
If it drops down to below 5000 the next home game then that is not progress.
What people seem to forget it’s income that matters not an extra few people in who pay a fiver for a £20 ticket.
We can all sell £2o notes for a fiver. Real progress is increasing income and that is difficult as previous owners have found out.

Adult tickets are full price on Saturday. It's kids for a quid, which isn't that much cheaper than it already is.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:46 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:03 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:01 pm Compared to most clubs in the division our crowds are quite good and there really is no need for more negative discussion. If you started going in 73 Byways, check the eighties when our crowds were averaging around 3 to 4,000. In fact one season the average was 2,5000. I'm sure we also had years when our top goalscorer would reach around seven. Most matches were 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 bores. 6,000 or 7,000 = good attendance.

I remember when gates dropped to below 3000, mind you no great surprise considering some of the rubbish we signed.
I also recall no cheap deals in those days except season tickets.
Even kids season tickets were a fair lump.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:17 am

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:42 am

Hmm, why did we get a big crowd for that game I wonder?

Yep the penny still not dropped for him

If you seriously think that the extra 1200+ fans turned up to pay £20 as a tribute to JE I think you are somewhat deluded and wide of the mark.
My guess is that of load of freebies were given out that day, hence the subsequent 25% drop since.
Getting people to turn up and pay a fiver or nothing at all is not a problem, get them to part with £20 and they will think twice.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:29 am I said to my Brother in law after the Cheltenham game that we seem to have discovered a couple of 1000 more fans.
Two weeks later a 20% drop and the following game another drop.
I know the owners are doing all they can to increase support but history shows the that about 4300 to 4800 is our limit. You can increase that by giving away free tickets but that’s not going to pay the wage bill.
In 73 when I started going the home gate was around 7500 and we were in the top 3 for most of the season. I just don’t think there is a cat in hells chance of getting much above 4800 paying the standard price on a regular basis but I await to be proved wrong.
Please remember Barry tried everything to get the gates up nothing really worked.

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:58 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:17 am

Yep the penny still not dropped for him

If you seriously think that the extra 1200+ fans turned up to pay £20 as a tribute to JE I think you are somewhat deluded and wide of the mark.
My guess is that of load of freebies were given out that day, hence the subsequent 25% drop since.
Getting people to turn up and pay a fiver or nothing at all is not a problem, get them to part with £20 and they will think twice.

Your comments are wrong and insulting. Orient have a large supporter base who can't come regularly that would want to come and pay tribute to one of our best and most successful managers. So you think Justin's memory isn't worth £20?

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:29 am I said to my Brother in law after the Cheltenham game that we seem to have discovered a couple of 1000 more fans.
Two weeks later a 20% drop and the following game another drop.
I know the owners are doing all they can to increase support but history shows the that about 4300 to 4800 is our limit. You can increase that by giving away free tickets but that’s not going to pay the wage bill.
In 73 when I started going the home gate was around 7500 and we were in the top 3 for most of the season. I just don’t think there is a cat in hells chance of getting much above 4800 paying the standard price on a regular basis but I await to be proved wrong.
Please remember Barry tried everything to get the gates up nothing really worked.

The Cheltenham game was the first game of the season, which always draws a bumper crowd. Couple that with the Justin tribute and there wasn't really a surprise that it was a decent gate.

The next game was on the bank holiday weekend, forecast well in advance as a scorcher. Most clubs saw a drop in attendance.

I expect saturday to be another decent crowd, around 7k, but if it's less, I also won't be too surprised. We're just not going to get 9,000 each game, but if we continue to play attractive football, do well and make the club an attractive place to come, we'll get there

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:29 am I said to my Brother in law after the Cheltenham game that we seem to have discovered a couple of 1000 more fans.
Two weeks later a 20% drop and the following game another drop.
I know the owners are doing all they can to increase support but history shows the that about 4300 to 4800 is our limit. You can increase that by giving away free tickets but that’s not going to pay the wage bill.
In 73 when I started going the home gate was around 7500 and we were in the top 3 for most of the season. I just don’t think there is a cat in hells chance of getting much above 4800 paying the standard price on a regular basis but I await to be proved wrong.
Please remember Barry tried everything to get the gates up nothing really worked.

The Cheltenham game was the first game of the season, which always draws a bumper crowd. Couple that with the Justin tribute and there wasn't really a surprise that it was a decent gate.

The next game was on the bank holiday weekend, forecast well in advance as a scorcher. Most clubs saw a drop in attendance.

I expect saturday to be another decent crowd, around 7k, but if it's less, I also won't be too surprised. We're just not going to get 9,000 each game, but if we continue to play attractive football, do well and make the club an attractive place to come, we'll get there

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:01 pm

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:58 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 am

If you seriously think that the extra 1200+ fans turned up to pay £20 as a tribute to JE I think you are somewhat deluded and wide of the mark.
My guess is that of load of freebies were given out that day, hence the subsequent 25% drop since.
Getting people to turn up and pay a fiver or nothing at all is not a problem, get them to part with £20 and they will think twice.

Your comments are wrong and insulting. Orient have a large supporter base who can't come regularly that would want to come and pay tribute to one of our best and most successful managers. So you think Justin's memory isn't worth £20?

Get off your high horse.
Orient have not got a large fan base and you have no evidence whatsoever that the extra 1500 turned up in respect to JE.
It was the first game back in FL and I have no doubt tickets were given away to sponsors etc to swell the gate.

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:42 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:01 pm

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:58 pm

Your comments are wrong and insulting. Orient have a large supporter base who can't come regularly that would want to come and pay tribute to one of our best and most successful managers. So you think Justin's memory isn't worth £20?

Get off your high horse.
Orient have not got a large fan base and you have no evidence whatsoever that the extra 1500 turned up in respect to JE.
It was the first game back in FL and I have no doubt tickets were given away to sponsors etc to swell the gate.

So where's your evidence of the tickets given away ?
Our fanbase is much more than the few thousand regular attendees of home matches as shown by our recent Wembley visits.
People make the effort for the big events.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:47 am

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:42 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:01 pm
Get off your high horse.
Orient have not got a large fan base and you have no evidence whatsoever that the extra 1500 turned up in respect to JE.
It was the first game back in FL and I have no doubt tickets were given away to sponsors etc to swell the gate.

So where's your evidence of the tickets given away ?
Our fanbase is much more than the few thousand regular attendees of home matches as shown by our recent Wembley visits.
People make the effort for the big events.

What nonsense.
You can’t compare one off events like a day out at Wembley to a league game against Cheltenham.
The attendance was unusually high and you like me you have no evidence why.
To say that the extra few 1000 that went to Wembley are Orient fans is also wrong, I went with four people who support different clubs and only went for a day out.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:39 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:51 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:42 pm

Never said it wasn’t.
We should get that every home game if we are to progress.
If it drops down to below 5000 the next home game then that is not progress.
What people seem to forget it’s income that matters not an extra few people in who pay a fiver for a £20 ticket.
We can all sell £2o notes for a fiver. Real progress is increasing income and that is difficult as previous owners have found out.

Adult tickets are full price on Saturday. It's kids for a quid, which isn't that much cheaper than it already is.

Well with no games on in London I will expect a gate of 7000.
Anything much less than that will be disappointing.

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:32 pm Of course the good crowds that we had last season included really rubbish away attendances, so it was mostly Orient supporters. This season, although it's only League Two, we should get better numbers of away supporters from most clubs, especially with the likes of Bradford and Swindon. We must, therefore, hope for over 7000 on Saturday.