Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:51 pm And he’s the better player.

That too of course.

As long as it ain't personal, where is the problem. David Luiz comes in from criticism from ex-pros as well. Maybe the disappointment is that it is from an ex-club employee and they should tow the line?

The real losers look set to be the show itself, can't see many guests from the club attending in future.

Some stats from last season. Ling and Judd played a similar amount in the League, Ling had more games but was subbed off more.
Win/losses and goals only from when the player was on the pitch. Cup games are ignored, and I don't think it makes much difference (Judd got sent off in one, Ling got skinned by Turgott for the length of the pitch in another).

Judd
Games played = 19
Won = 12, Drawn 5, Lost 2
Goals for = 36
Goals against = 8

Ling
Games played = 22
Won = 9, Drawn 6, Lost 7
Goals for = 26
Goals against = 20

In my view going on last season Judd should be ahead in the pecking order. One thing that is going in Ling's defence is that after the formation change his results improved a lot, five wins and one draw. But now it seems that formation is dead.

Sure, these results came at a different time of season and Judd benefited from a squad that wasn't injured. Stats don't tell the whole story, but even looking at overall quality of performance I feel Judd is better, got nothing to do with family relations.

I'll have a word with Kev when I see him next.....out of order! Still, he is right when he says he offers little going forward but I think Ling has been quite solid thus far.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:27 pm

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:23 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Not at all, but confirms we are right.

Confirms your right?
Disillusioned again I see
I can’t remember Dickenson being all that good in fairness

I will take his view over yours any day of the week fella.

Having spoken to one of our Division 1 squad players last week he was very impressed with lingy.
He saw Judd play last season & thought Ling was the better optiin

Ill take the opinion of a player who was part of top flight football & 2nd division ( old money) than dicko who could do it at division 4 but wasnt around long in the 3rd division.

Its all about opinions though.

Well I spoke to an International player who saw them both last season and he said Judd was definitely the better player, so I’ll take his opinion over a mere 2nd division standard player.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:00 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:27 pm

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:23 pm

Confirms your right?
Disillusioned again I see
I can’t remember Dickenson being all that good in fairness

I will take his view over yours any day of the week fella.

Having spoken to one of our Division 1 squad players last week he was very impressed with lingy.
He saw Judd play last season & thought Ling was the better optiin

Ill take the opinion of a player who was part of top flight football & 2nd division ( old money) than dicko who could do it at division 4 but wasnt around long in the 3rd division.

Its all about opinions though.

It is. Dickensen is entitled to his view so shouldn’t be shot down for expressing it.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:19 pm Well I spoke to an International player who saw them both last season and he said Judd was definitely the better player, so I’ll take his opinion over a mere 2nd division standard player.

The one i talked to was an Orient International player.

How many times has Judd been picked to represent his country at any level Creme brulee ?

Should say it all really .

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:21 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:00 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:27 pm

I will take his view over yours any day of the week fella.

Having spoken to one of our Division 1 squad players last week he was very impressed with lingy.
He saw Judd play last season & thought Ling was the better optiin

Ill take the opinion of a player who was part of top flight football & 2nd division ( old money) than dicko who could do it at division 4 but wasnt around long in the 3rd division.

Its all about opinions though.

It is. Dickensen is entitled to his view so shouldn’t be shot down for expressing it.

Agreed, but C*nty fans who claim to be learned do.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:25 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:21 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:00 pm

Having spoken to one of our Division 1 squad players last week he was very impressed with lingy.
He saw Judd play last season & thought Ling was the better optiin

Ill take the opinion of a player who was part of top flight football & 2nd division ( old money) than dicko who could do it at division 4 but wasnt around long in the 3rd division.

Its all about opinions though.

It is. Dickensen is entitled to his view so shouldn’t be shot down for expressing it.

Agreed, but C*nty fans who claim to be learned do.

When all evidence is to the opinion, then ‘learned’ is the correct word. Not sure which part of that you can’t understand whilst you spout your foul-mouthed mutterings.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:19 pm Well I spoke to an International player who saw them both last season and he said Judd was definitely the better player, so I’ll take his opinion over a mere 2nd division standard player.

The one i talked to was an Orient International player.

How many times has Judd been picked to represent his country at any level Creme brulee ?

Should say it all really .

Not sure?

Do you also happen to know how many times young Sam has been awarded Young Apprentice of the Year? Or how many times he’s been released by a football club for not being good enough?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:48 pm Having podcasts and radio shows where no one commits to an opinion, especially one that doesn’t toe the club line, will be very dull.

Haven’t heard the actual comment so can’t comment on delivery but I don’t disagree.

Didn’t exactly cover himself in glory for the first goal yday either.

Funny this considering I had an opinion re your podcast and you threw your dollies out the pram
And strange you can only pick out Ling for the first goal the ball was in and around the area for a good few minutes and not one Orient player could clear the danger away or did I dream that

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:48 pm Having podcasts and radio shows where no one commits to an opinion, especially one that doesn’t toe the club line, will be very dull.

Would almost be like the Orient Outlook podcast

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:03 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:48 pm Having podcasts and radio shows where no one commits to an opinion, especially one that doesn’t toe the club line, will be very dull.

Haven’t heard the actual comment so can’t comment on delivery but I don’t disagree.

Didn’t exactly cover himself in glory for the first goal yday either.

Funny this considering I had an opinion re your podcast and you threw your dollies out the pram
And strange you can only pick out Ling for the first goal the ball was in and around the area for a good few minutes and not one Orient player could clear the danger away or did I dream that

Really? I used to tell him how sh*t it was all the time and he took the criticism no problem.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:41 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:25 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:21 pm

It is. Dickensen is entitled to his view so shouldn’t be shot down for expressing it.

Agreed, but C*nty fans who claim to be learned do.

When all evidence is to the opinion, then ‘learned’ is the correct word. Not sure which part of that you can’t understand whilst you spout your foul-mouthed mutterings.

Ah evidence .

Judd 2019/20 season
Pl 2 lost 2

Ling played
5 won 2 drawn 1 lost 2

Had ling stayed on the pitch it would be

Judd played 1 lost 1
Ling pl 5 w 3 d 1 l 1.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:10 pm

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:03 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:48 pm Having podcasts and radio shows where no one commits to an opinion, especially one that doesn’t toe the club line, will be very dull.

Haven’t heard the actual comment so can’t comment on delivery but I don’t disagree.

Didn’t exactly cover himself in glory for the first goal yday either.

Funny this considering I had an opinion re your podcast and you threw your dollies out the pram
And strange you can only pick out Ling for the first goal the ball was in and around the area for a good few minutes and not one Orient player could clear the danger away or did I dream that

Really? I used to tell him how sh*t it was all the time and he took the criticism no problem.

Yes but no one cares about your opinion

Where has this thing about Judd being better going forward than Ling? If anything I'd say it's the other way round. Our right hand side didn't have the same threat once Ling went off.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:47 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:19 pm Well I spoke to an International player who saw them both last season and he said Judd was definitely the better player, so I’ll take his opinion over a mere 2nd division standard player.

The one i talked to was an Orient International player.

How many times has Judd been picked to represent his country at any level Creme brulee ?

Should say it all really .

Not sure?

Do you also happen to know how many times young Sam has been awarded Young Apprentice of the Year? Or how many times he’s been released by a football club for not being good enough?

Ling was released at a club owned by a clown
Ling was due a pro contract
Youth team were not .

Clown wasnt willing to pay any of the 1st team wages so sold most of them

Have you forgotten that ?

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:15 pm Where has this thing about Judd being better going forward than Ling? If anything I'd say it's the other way round. Our right hand side didn't have the same threat once Ling went off.

Probably from people having watched them both play.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:16 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:47 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

The one i talked to was an Orient International player.

How many times has Judd been picked to represent his country at any level Creme brulee ?

Should say it all really .

Not sure?

Do you also happen to know how many times young Sam has been awarded Young Apprentice of the Year? Or how many times he’s been released by a football club for not being good enough?

Ling was released at a club owned by a clown
Ling was due a pro contract
Youth team were not .

Clown wasnt willing to pay any of the 1st team wages so sold most of them

Have you forgotten that ?

He was released the year before without getting near the first team.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:20 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:16 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:47 pm

Not sure?

Do you also happen to know how many times young Sam has been awarded Young Apprentice of the Year? Or how many times he’s been released by a football club for not being good enough?

Ling was released at a club owned by a clown
Ling was due a pro contract
Youth team were not .

Clown wasnt willing to pay any of the 1st team wages so sold most of them

Have you forgotten that ?

He was released the year before without getting near the first team.

Your lack of knowledge is shocking creme

Ling went to the daggers in 2016

" a year before you say ?

Nah.

Sam gets a firm offer from dagenham & goes
Not sure why you would forget that.

Are.you really an O's Fan , or did you follow the spuds or spammers or the arse at some point in time ?

Well exactly. A year before clown face lost the cheque book and stopped paying the bills.

Lingy was released because he wasn’t good enough, all the other kids such as Koroma, Abraham’s, Alzate, Dalby etc etc and a 16 year old Judd were thrown into the first team.

Spurs will always be my real love, Orient is just a bit of a giggle.

Who is this Dickenson guy? One of Gilsons charmless crew?

Entitled to his opinion though and RE entitled to disagree with him.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:32 pm Well exactly. A year before clown face lost the cheque book and stopped paying the bills.

Lingy was released because he wasn’t good enough, all the other kids such as Koroma, Abraham’s, Alzate, Dalby etc etc and a 16 year old Judd were thrown into the first team.

Spurs will always be my real love, Orient is just a bit of a giggle.

So you are a 2 team w*nker then
Explains it all perfectly now.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:32 pm
Spurs will always be my real love, Orient is just a bit of a giggle.

Looks like it's going to be a long year for you then. 3 games in and it's already a 2 horse race.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:02 pm Who is this Dickenson guy? One of Gilsons charmless crew?

Entitled to his opinion though and RE entitled to disagree with him.

Correct on both counts.