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Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:05 pm
by spen666
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:58 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm
Yes. One fact. There may very well be other facts. Just because we are not yet aware of them doesn't mean they don't exist. If I were you I would shut up about this until all the facts are available.
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Yes, yes but by taking that tack you are deflecting away from the sex crimes he was convicted of. That is an old trick often used by those in the legal profession to protect and stand up for their client. Tell us more about his convictions instead.
No, somebody called him a child rapist.
I merely responded to that comment by correctly stating g he has been convicted of as many rapes as that poster & myself.
I have gone no further than that simple statement of fact. Sadly some people on here are repeatedly trying to twist my words & accusing me of being an apologist for Epstein which couldn't be further from the truth.
PS Epstein isnt my client so stop trying to smear my name and divert attention from the simple fact I stated
It amazing how so many people want t to attack me for a simple correct factual statement. It's almost as if they are trying to deflect from the truth
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 pm
by EH16
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:15 pm
Amazing how stupid you can be without trying.
I have not advocated anything other than stating a fact
Yes. One fact. There may very well be other facts. Just because we are not yet aware of them doesn't mean they don't exist. If I were you I would shut up about this until all the facts are available.
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein. - You're the one doing the twisting. Nowhere have I said you're defending or not defending anyone. I simply offered you some sage advice, namely that you might want to think about shutting up.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:59 pm
by Max B Gold
Very good advice.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:56 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:05 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:58 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Yes, yes but by taking that tack you are deflecting away from the sex crimes he was convicted of. That is an old trick often used by those in the legal profession to protect and stand up for their client. Tell us more about his convictions instead.
No, somebody called him a child rapist.
I merely responded to that comment by correctly stating g he has been convicted of as many rapes as that poster & myself.
I have gone no further than that simple statement of fact. Sadly some people on here are repeatedly trying to twist my words & accusing me of being an apologist for Epstein which couldn't be further from the truth.
PS Epstein isnt my client so stop trying to smear my name and divert attention from the simple fact I stated
It amazing how so many people want t to attack me for a simple correct factual statement. It's almost as if they are trying to deflect from the truth
Quit while you are behind fella. The jury has declared its verdict.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
by spen666
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm
Yes. One fact. There may very well be other facts. Just because we are not yet aware of them doesn't mean they don't exist. If I were you I would shut up about this until all the facts are available.
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein. - You're the one doing the twisting. Nowhere have I said you're defending or not defending anyone. I simply offered you some sage advice, namely that you might want to think about shutting up.
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein. - You're the one doing the twisting. Nowhere have I said you're defending or not defending anyone. I simply offered you some sage advice, namely that you might want to think about shutting up.
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
by spen666
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 pm
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein. - You're the one doing the twisting. Nowhere have I said you're defending or not defending anyone. I simply offered you some sage advice, namely that you might want to think about shutting up.
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:09 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
No, you draw a wrong conclusion which is contrary to my intent. You also use the word ‘still’ which is also erroneous, as I have not previously conversed with you on this subject.
What you have done though is make a jackass of yourself.
Again.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
Epstein has as many convictions as Jimmy Saville as well
Defending people who are known to use the constitution of law
To enable himself to avoid prosecution is dispicable Spen
Please stop , it really does make you look bad,
regardless of Epstein or anybody elses guilt.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
Epstein has as many convictions as Jimmy Saville as well
Defending people who are known to use the constitution of law
To enable himself to avoid prosecution is dispicable Spen
Please stop , it really does make you look bad,
regardless of Epstein or anybody elses guilt.
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:22 pm
by spen666
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:09 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:08 pm
So Epstein topping himself makes him innocent?
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
No, you draw a wrong conclusion which is contrary to my intent. You also use the word ‘still’ which is also erroneous, as I have not previously conversed with you on this subject.
What you have done though is make a jackass of yourself.
Again.
How is telling the truth that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I making a jackass of myself?
Your repeated personal attacks on meforstating a fact says far more about you than anything else.
You dont take issue with the fact, but instead attack the deliverer of the truth.
It's a shame that fact and truth cause you to get upset so much.
Now, try telling what is inaccurate about saying that Epstein has as many convictions for rape as you and I. Unless of course you have a conviction for rape
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:31 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:22 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:09 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
No, you draw a wrong conclusion which is contrary to my intent. You also use the word ‘still’ which is also erroneous, as I have not previously conversed with you on this subject.
What you have done though is make a jackass of yourself.
Again.
How is telling the truth that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I making a jackass of myself?
Your repeated personal attacks on meforstating a fact says far more about you than anything else.
You dont take issue with the fact, but instead attack the deliverer of the truth.
It's a shame that fact and truth cause you to get upset so much.
Now, try telling what is inaccurate about saying that Epstein has as many convictions for rape as you and I. Unless of course you have a conviction for rape
Repeated?
You are clearly confusing me with someone else which makes your hysterics all the more amusing.
I don’t usually waste my time commenting on your fallacies fella.
Do your research next time.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Still trying to twist my words?
The fact remains that Epstein has as manyrape convictions as you and I.
Someone committing suicide (if indeed that is what happens) is not of itself proof of guilt or innocence.
Epstein has as many convictions as Jimmy Saville as well
Defending people who are known to use the constitution of law
To enable himself to avoid prosecution is dispicable Spen
Please stop , it really does make you look bad,
regardless of Epstein or anybody elses guilt.
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accused of & something i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:06 pm
by Disoriented
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
Epstein has as many convictions as Jimmy Saville as well
Defending people who are known to use the constitution of law
To enable himself to avoid prosecution is dispicable Spen
Please stop , it really does make you look bad,
regardless of Epstein or anybody elses guilt.
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accuwed of & something
i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Like a jackass.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:11 pm
by Mick McQuaid
spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:03 pm
Epstein has as many convictions for clid rape as you or i
Three?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:34 pm
by EH16
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:07 pm
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:50 pm
Calm down.....
I started that Epstein had been convicted of as many rapes as you or I.
I started nothing more than that. I didn't say he had not had not raped anyone.
The fact is that unless you have a rape conviction, then Epstein has been convicted of as many rapes as you and me.
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein.
I am neither defending nor accusing him of anything as I have the sense to know I am not in possession of all the relevant evidence
Stop trying to twist that into my defending or otherwise Epstein. - You're the one doing the twisting. Nowhere have I said you're defending or not defending anyone. I simply offered you some sage advice, namely that you might want to think about shutting up.
Not a chance of me shutting up telling the truth.
Epstein has as many convictions for children as you & I.
I know that fact shows what you posted was untrue.
Shame you can't just accept this fact without having to resort to trying to silence me
You need to learn to read and understand properly :
I said nothing about you telling the truth, my point was that you need to think about shutting up generally on this subject
I've said nothing about Epstein. I've merely posted an opinion. Opinions, by definition, can't be untrue only incorrect so you're lying by stating that what I posted was untrue. How does that reconcile with you 'telling the truth'?
I'm not trying to silence you. I was suggesting that you might want to consider silencing yourself before you make yourself look even more of a fool.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm
by spen666
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
Epstein has as many convictions as Jimmy Saville as well
Defending people who are known to use the constitution of law
To enable himself to avoid prosecution is dispicable Spen
Please stop , it really does make you look bad,
regardless of Epstein or anybody elses guilt.
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accused of & something i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Whatever you say...truth and facts are clearly irrelevant to you.
Where have I defended or attacked Epstein?
Stating a fact is neither defending nor attacking him, its stating a fact
I repeat that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you & I.
Please tell me what is factually incorrect about that?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:12 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accused of & something i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Whatever you say...truth and facts are clearly irrelevant to you.
Where have I defended or attacked Epstein?
Stating a fact is neither defending nor attacking him, its stating a fact
I repeat that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you & I.
Please tell me what is factually incorrect about that?
Where’s my apology for your erroneous response earlier?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:18 pm
by spen666
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:12 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accused of & something i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Whatever you say...truth and facts are clearly irrelevant to you.
Where have I defended or attacked Epstein?
Stating a fact is neither defending nor attacking him, its stating a fact
I repeat that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you & I.
Please tell me what is factually incorrect about that?
Where’s my apology for your erroneous response earlier?
What is erroneous about stating correctly that Epstein has the same number of rape convictions as your?
Do you accept that is a correct factual statement & if not, whyisit incorrect?
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:25 pm
by Disoriented
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:18 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:12 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm
Whatever you say...truth and facts are clearly irrelevant to you.
Where have I defended or attacked Epstein?
Stating a fact is neither defending nor attacking him, its stating a fact
I repeat that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you & I.
Please tell me what is factually incorrect about that?
Where’s my apology for your erroneous response earlier?
What is erroneous about stating correctly that Epstein has the same number of rape convictions as your?
Do you accept that is a correct factual statement & if not, whyisit incorrect?
Are you thick? Re-read this thread and see how your use of the word ‘still’ in reference to my question to you is erroneous given I had not previously commented on your diatribe.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:28 pm
by Proposition Joe
The Life and Times of spen666, Esq.
August 27th, 2019.
'How should I spend my Tuesday evening?', I asked myself.
After much thought, I stumbled upon the ideal pursuit. 'Eureka!', I declared. 'I shall stan for a convicted sex offender on a lower league message board'. 5 hours later, I retired to bed, sated by what a good job I had done owning the libs and upholding the good name of Mr Epstein. I resolved to repeat my heroics henceforth.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:43 pm
by Long slender neck
Some people seem to have trouble understanding the basics of the legal system.
That said, not sure why Spen is highlighting the FACT that a dead man was not convicted of the charges that were awaiting him.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:19 pm
by tuffers#1
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm
I have not at any stage either defended oraccused Epstein.
Epstein has as many rape convictions as you and I.
That is a fact. It's not defending him. It's not accusing him.
What is your problem with a correct , accurate & truthful statement?
Do you have a problem with the truth?
What you are doing is defending a dead man who has for years been associated by
law enforcement agencies for the Worst kind of crimes .
That is not something I have ever been accused of & something i hope you have never been accused of.
To claim he is no different to us is an insult of the highest order
to yourself me & anybody else you say it to
Again Spen please STOP on this one .
Be the pedantic pain anywhere else , but leave this one alone
You are not prepar8ng or representing him in a court of law
Just on a public forum & that kind of makes you look bad.
Whatever you say...truth and facts are clearly irrelevant to you.
Where have I defended or attacked Epstein?
Stating a fact is neither defending nor attacking him, its stating a fact
I repeat that Epstein has as many rape convictions as you & I.
Please tell me what is factually incorrect about that?
I shall repeat a FACT SP8N
EPSTEIN HAS BEEN ARRESTED NUMEROUS TIMES ON CHARGES OF CRIMES AGAINST MINORS .
I HAVE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR CRIMES AGAINST MINORS.
You keep up your fantasy of defending Epsteins Tarnished name .
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:28 am
by Disoriented
The pressure ramps up on the fair prince: his accuser is all over the papers today.
Back to you Andy.
Re: Prince Andrew
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:04 am
by ContrifibulatoryFred
Why is that knob-cheese spen665 still allowed on this forum?
He champions the truth whilst masquerading as other boarders
Any moral high ground he may claim (be it real or imaginary) is therefore somewhat fanciful