BP - profits before climate

[Mistadobalina]

Climate has always changed ffs.

Listening to propaganda will be the downfall of civilisation. There is no evidence for anthropogenic climate change apart from corrupt scientist and governments.

What’s in it for the scientists ?

Money . Keeps their funding rolling in .

This argument is nuts for the simple reason it supposes that academic researchers have more financial clout than the entire fossil fuel industry who's interests they are actively working against.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

What’s in it for the scientists ?

Money . Keeps their funding rolling in .

This argument is nuts for the simple reason it supposes that academic researchers have more financial clout than the entire fossil fuel industry who's interests they are actively working against.

This.

The fact that this goes directly against consumerism and big money firms make it absolutely more believable.

You can't have it both ways.

[Proposition Joe]

But as per his replies above, clearly that's what they want.

[Currywurst and Chips]

I guess people just don’t understand fiduciary duty

[Real Al]

Who would you trust for information?

Personally, I trust anyone on social media who has Citizen Journalist in their bio

[Long slender neck]

What’s ‘green’ about electric cars & wind turbines?
These sort of technologies require vast quantities of lithium, rare earth metals, copper, nickel etc
Anyone ever done the carbon mass balance on this.
Could be oil and gas is less polluting/carbon emissions.
And what about wind turbine blades? Try recycling those, read states have got a problem with that, solved it by burying them where they will stay like that for almost ever.

You know what mate? I reckon some boffins have indeed carried out these calculations. What do you reckon the answer was?

[Long slender neck]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

[Long slender neck]

From the RAC https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-ca ... vironment/

EV whole lifecycle impact

Vehicle ‘lifecycle analyses’ – taking account of all the emissions from the mining of ores, the manufacture of vehicles and batteries, and the in-use energy consumption of petrol, diesel or electricity – show large overall CO2 savings for EVs compared to conventional vehicles.

The British Government’s key 2018 publication The Road to Zero stated that EVs ‘have substantially lower greenhouse gas emissions than conventional vehicles, even when taking into account the electricity source and the electricity used for battery production. Assuming the current UK energy mix, battery electric vehicles produce the lowest greenhouse gas emissions of all the energy sources and fuels assessed, irrespective of vehicle type and operation’.17

The report estimated that in 2018 an electric car in the UK had total associated greenhouse gas emissions 66% lower than a petrol car and 60% lower than a diesel car.

It also estimated that by 2050, emissions from UK electricity generation would fall by 90% because renewables will dominate generation. Emissions associated with EV use will fall in parallel.
So are electric vehicles better for the environment?

The evidence says they are.

Now you can stop worrying and get on with being green, PKM.

[George M]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

They can’t then

[George M]

From the RAC https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-ca ... vironment/

EV whole lifecycle impact

Vehicle ‘lifecycle analyses’ – taking account of all the emissions from the mining of ores, the manufacture of vehicles and batteries, and the in-use energy consumption of petrol, diesel or electricity – show large overall CO2 savings for EVs compared to conventional vehicles.

The British Government’s key 2018 publication The Road to Zero stated that EVs ‘have substantially lower greenhouse gas emissions than conventional vehicles, even when taking into account the electricity source and the electricity used for battery production. Assuming the current UK energy mix, battery electric vehicles produce the lowest greenhouse gas emissions of all the energy sources and fuels assessed, irrespective of vehicle type and operation’.17

The report estimated that in 2018 an electric car in the UK had total associated greenhouse gas emissions 66% lower than a petrol car and 60% lower than a diesel car.

It also estimated that by 2050, emissions from UK electricity generation would fall by 90% because renewables will dominate generation. Emissions associated with EV use will fall in parallel.
So are electric vehicles better for the environment?

The evidence says they are.

Now you can stop worrying and get on with being green, PKM.

Remember believing the bullshit about Covid from our scientists and government. Most of it , not all , proven to be rubbish and incompetently handled. And now you jump straight back in on the net zero rubbish. Not disputing the science. But don’t believe or agree with the policies.

[Proposition Joe]

"Not disputing the science, just don't believe it". Amazing.

[PKM]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

Yes, recycling interests me.
Sounds like they’re still to solve the problem.


‘Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level but, with some experts predicting up to 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste by 2050, there is a pressing need for a system that will work on a bigger scale.’

[PKM]

From the RAC https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-ca ... vironment/

EV whole lifecycle impact

Vehicle ‘lifecycle analyses’ – taking account of all the emissions from the mining of ores, the manufacture of vehicles and batteries, and the in-use energy consumption of petrol, diesel or electricity – show large overall CO2 savings for EVs compared to conventional vehicles.

The British Government’s key 2018 publication The Road to Zero stated that EVs ‘have substantially lower greenhouse gas emissions than conventional vehicles, even when taking into account the electricity source and the electricity used for battery production. Assuming the current UK energy mix, battery electric vehicles produce the lowest greenhouse gas emissions of all the energy sources and fuels assessed, irrespective of vehicle type and operation’.17

The report estimated that in 2018 an electric car in the UK had total associated greenhouse gas emissions 66% lower than a petrol car and 60% lower than a diesel car.

It also estimated that by 2050, emissions from UK electricity generation would fall by 90% because renewables will dominate generation. Emissions associated with EV use will fall in parallel.
So are electric vehicles better for the environment?

The evidence says they are.

Now you can stop worrying and get on with being green, PKM.

Remember believing the bullshit about Covid from our scientists and government. Most of it , not all , proven to be rubbish and incompetently handled. And now you jump straight back in on the net zero rubbish. Not disputing the science. But don’t believe or agree with the policies.

Not sure I believe a word of that tbh.

[Long slender neck]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

They can’t then

Cant you read? They're already recycling 85% and working on the rest.

[Long slender neck]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

Yes, recycling interests me.
Sounds like they’re still to solve the problem.


‘Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level but, with some experts predicting up to 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste by 2050, there is a pressing need for a system that will work on a bigger scale.’

85% recyclable and improving sounds pretty good to me.

How much of a coal plant is recyclable?

[RedDwarf 1881]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

Yes, recycling interests me.
Sounds like they’re still to solve the problem.


‘Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level but, with some experts predicting up to 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste by 2050, there is a pressing need for a system that will work on a bigger scale.’

85% recyclable and improving sounds pretty good to me.

How much of a coal plant is recyclable?

Ask the Chinese . They seem to be opening up a new one every week

[PKM]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

Yes, recycling interests me.
Sounds like they’re still to solve the problem.


‘Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level but, with some experts predicting up to 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste by 2050, there is a pressing need for a system that will work on a bigger scale.’

85% recyclable and improving sounds pretty good to me.

How much of a coal plant is recyclable?

Who’s talking about ‘coal plants’ whatever they are.
Irrelevant

[Long slender neck]

Its not irrelevant, if you are anti wind power then how do you suggest we generate electricity?

Or just admit it, you dont care, you just dont want to have to make effort or expense to improve things at all.

[PKM]

I didn’t say I was anti wind power.
What I said is these things are not as straightforward as people like to make out.
As to your last sentence, I will perhaps grant you that you have posted out of ignorance on a bb where , by and large, folks are not aware of what other people may or may not have done.
I have spent my professional career in reducing waste and recycling and in the area I was working in achieved a great deal of success in terms of increasing recycling rates, finding new markets for recycled products, reducing material sent to landfill.
I will not bore you with all the details, but your assumptions are so way off the mark and , unfortunately, your sort of behaviour is all too common.

[George M]

"Not disputing the science, just don't believe it". Amazing.

Have another read. I clearly said that the policies / initiatives used to address the issues science highlights are mostly nonsense

[George M]

And if you truly are interested in 'recycling wind turbine blades'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68225891

Yes, recycling interests me.
Sounds like they’re still to solve the problem.


‘Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level but, with some experts predicting up to 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste by 2050, there is a pressing need for a system that will work on a bigger scale.’

85% recyclable and improving sounds pretty good to me.

How much of a coal plant is recyclable?

Perhaps you need to. The 85% is talking about the main structure and not the blades , which was what the original question referred to.

[Long slender neck]

I didn’t say I was anti wind power.
What I said is these things are not as straightforward as people like to make out.
As to your last sentence, I will perhaps grant you that you have posted out of ignorance on a bb where , by and large, folks are not aware of what other people may or may not have done.
I have spent my professional career in reducing waste and recycling and in the area I was working in achieved a great deal of success in terms of increasing recycling rates, finding new markets for recycled products, reducing material sent to landfill.
I will not bore you with all the details, but your assumptions are so way off the mark and , unfortunately, your sort of behaviour is all too common.

They're working on it.

Danish company Vestas, the largest wind turbine producer in Europe, announced last year an approach that uses a liquid chemical solution to break down the blades into materials which can then potentially be used to make new blades.

A major advantage of this approach, according to Vestas, is that it uses widely available chemicals, though details haven't been disclosed. The process has the added benefit of not requiring energy-intensive high temperatures.

Both of these traits hint at potential scalability, with the company claiming to have recycled 475 end-of-life blades in 2022.

If technologies such as these succeed "then not only can we solve the problem of new waste coming through, but we can also actually tackle historic waste," according to Dr Barlow.

I apologise if I was wrong about you, but you were sounding like a typical climate skeptic. And I dont know what you're suggesting, that we shouldnt use wind power? Few things are perfect but surely you can see that solutions will be found to these problems and wind is still better than fossil fuels, even if we end up with piles of turbine blades everywhere.

[StillSpike]

Climate has always changed ffs.

Listening to propaganda will be the downfall of civilisation. There is no evidence for anthropogenic climate change apart from corrupt scientist and governments.

What’s in it for the scientists ?

Money . Keeps their funding rolling in .

Whereas those nice folk from the oil and gas industry are doing their thing for the benefit of mankind.

[faldO]

As Miliband said yesterday, we need more homegrown clean energy like wind and solar that we can control.

[George M]

Its not irrelevant, if you are anti wind power then how do you suggest we generate electricity?

Or just admit it, you dont care, you just dont want to have to make effort or expense to improve things at all.

Nobody is doubting that wind , water , solar has to be a better solution than oil going forwards but , science has to prove beyond doubt that the manufacture and disposal of at end of life is less damaging than fossil fuel. Evidence of this is sketchy and not something I would trust government on .