Injuries

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

Sorry, you have lost me. What was mental?

Blimey.

Richie said in his post match interview that Theo and Graham are two of the highest earners at the club.

Theo was out of contract in the summer, whilst having a serious injury and having a few serious knee injuries over the last few years.

I can’t see another club giving him a contract in the summer, so out of loyalty we gave him one, which I think was the right thing to do. But obviously there is a risk there.

The club had a massive upper hand in terms of his market value being very low, the fact Theo wasn’t fit with a history of similar issues, the fact that he knew the club and wouldn’t have to relocate and that the club took on the risk that he wouldn’t recover/wouldn’t be the same player. Essentially, Theo had little bargaining tools to get a decent pay day.

I’m not saying we should take the piss with him and offer him pennies but with the above it mind, how do the club then make him one of our highest earners?

That’s mental to me

Understood. It’s hardly a gesture to give the guy another contract but give him a huge wage cut. I also think they can’t offer him lesser terms for a new contract. I might be wrong on that but I don’t think so.

Personally I think in some post match interviews a passionate Richie sometimes stretches the truth to make his point, so I take some comments with a pinch of salt. I suspect that one could interpret one of our higher paid players to mean not on ex apprentice wages. I would be stunned if Archibald got a raise, my guess would be they extended his existing contract for another year, I think that is what they said. They would have been in their right to offer lower terms, and they may have done. Whether the new Archibald contract was a sensible one or a sentimental one can be debated. Whilst I accept salary is the major contributing factor when a player signs, there other factors that make a club one you want to play for, and the way they have treated Theo would be one of them.

[Hoover Attack]

If you had been to any of the games that Graham has come on in recent weeks , as I have , you would have seen a player avoiding tackles and stretching and looking uncomfortable after a run. In a game that we were not out of , it was a high risk decision putting a player on as the last sub knowing that any heavy tackle would likely see him go down. Going down to ten cost us any chance of recovering therefore it was a reckless decision for the player and a brainless one by the coaching team.

Then don't have him in the squad, if he's not ready to make any contribution at all - in your opinion - he's wasting a space on the bench.

Not that that's an issue now, sadly.

Exactly this.

He will have been watched in training on a daily basis. The medical staff will have signed him off as ready to return. No one is saying he should be thrown on for 60 minutes+ but he should be able to see through the last 17 minutes of a game.

[Hoover Attack]

In a game that we were not out of , it was a high risk decision putting a player on as the last sub knowing that any heavy tackle would likely see him go down.

This is just nonsense. He has been assessed as ready to return.

(Although I do accept that with 5 allowed subs, it makes sense to only ever use 4 until the last few minutes in case of any injury to any player or keeper sending off etc)

[redintheface]

Would be interesting to find out to what extent ( if any) the Club’s insurance policies cover in terms of funding Archibald & Graham’s wages now that both are unable to play. Hopefully there is some degree of mitigation to the budget through that?

Asked on the forum. NT confirmed no insurance payments. Medical costs only are insured.

I didn’t realise that was the case. Thanks for the info.

[gshaw]

Exactly this.

He will have been watched in training on a daily basis. The medical staff will have signed him off as ready to return. No one is saying he should be thrown on for 60 minutes+ but he should be able to see through the last 17 minutes of a game.

What with a number of players still unfit at the end of November, two serious injury recurrences and a few others out it seems there may need to be a review of the medical / fitness processes too

[George M]

In a game that we were not out of , it was a high risk decision putting a player on as the last sub knowing that any heavy tackle would likely see him go down.

This is just nonsense. He has been assessed as ready to return.

(Although I do accept that with 5 allowed subs, it makes sense to only ever use 4 until the last few minutes in case of any injury to any player or keeper sending off etc)

They are clearly incompetent then and I doubt have seen him in matches

[Hoover Attack]

The management team have to go with what the player and - more importantly - the medical team are telling them.

With hindsight, it's clear the medics got it wrong. But you can't blame our management team for giving him the last 15 minutes.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

At league one level, it’s clearly fine margins at play. The issues this season can be explained fairly simply as “recruitment that just hasn’t worked at all”

I don’t think Wellens is perfect by any means, but it would be crazy to think he’s the problem when there is a glaring problem with the squad.

[George M]

The management team have to go with what the player and - more importantly - the medical team are telling them.

With hindsight, it's clear the medics got it wrong. But you can't blame our management team for giving him the last 15 minutes.

To make it clear. You can blame the management team for giving a player that , with the slightest touch , was going to breakdown again and without having a sub to replace him should that happen. That’s what management should be aware of. He has a history of injuries. It was clear to anyone who has watched his cameos recently that he was not mentally in the right place. He did not trust his knee. If I , and many others , could see that then so should the coaching staff. It cost us any chance of getting back in the game. I call that bad management. I’m fed up with excuses now. We , as Ritchie pointed out , went toe to toe with a team with championship history . It’s fine margins and the error of judgment with Graham cost us.

[Hoover Attack]

The management team have to go with what the player and - more importantly - the medical team are telling them.

With hindsight, it's clear the medics got it wrong. But you can't blame our management team for giving him the last 15 minutes.

To make it clear. You can blame the management team for giving a player that , with the slightest touch , was going to breakdown again and without having a sub to replace him should that happen. That’s what management should be aware of. He has a history of injuries. It was clear to anyone who has watched his cameos recently that he was not mentally in the right place. He did not trust his knee. If I , and many others , could see that then so should the coaching staff. It cost us any chance of getting back in the game. I call that bad management. I’m fed up with excuses now. We , as Ritchie pointed out , went toe to toe with a team with championship history . It’s fine margins and the error of judgment with Graham cost us.

His knee went last night because he didn't trust it? Ok then.

[George M]

The management team have to go with what the player and - more importantly - the medical team are telling them.

With hindsight, it's clear the medics got it wrong. But you can't blame our management team for giving him the last 15 minutes.

To make it clear. You can blame the management team for giving a player that , with the slightest touch , was going to breakdown again and without having a sub to replace him should that happen. That’s what management should be aware of. He has a history of injuries. It was clear to anyone who has watched his cameos recently that he was not mentally in the right place. He did not trust his knee. If I , and many others , could see that then so should the coaching staff. It cost us any chance of getting back in the game. I call that bad management. I’m fed up with excuses now. We , as Ritchie pointed out , went toe to toe with a team with championship history . It’s fine margins and the error of judgment with Graham cost us.

His knee went last night because he didn't trust it? Ok then.

You clearly don’t attend games. Difficult to get through to a boarder with such little knowledge.

[Hoover Attack]

Ok then.

And bless you if you think we were getting back in the game last night. How cute.

[George M]

[Max B Gold]

I'm old enough to remember that Orient wouldn't sign a player unless they had a recurring injury or at the very least a broken ankle. How times have changed.

[BiggsyMalone]

Jordan Graham has more instagram posts since he joined Orient than he has games.

27 games
28 posts

[Currywurst and Chips]

I’m here for stats like these

[Eggski]

Always think of Scott Oakes. Son of Shawaddywaddy singer who didn't last long with us. Think he turned over Wet Spam in FA cup in 1995 as well. Under the moon of love !

[Eggski]

1994