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Comments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
It's a very "Orient" thing to excuse poor performing players just because they came from the academy. If they're good enough great, if not they get no special treatment.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 amComments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
When we are paying increased sums in ticket prices for poor quality football one is entitled to criticise . You are talking as though BW are a a huge opposition.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 amComments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Nonsense.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:18 pmWhen we are paying increased sums in ticket prices for poor quality football one is entitled to criticise . You are talking as though BW are a a huge opposition.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 amComments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Many supporters knew our weaknesses earlier on this season and have highlighted impending problems. We need a complete shake up but that is unlikely to happen especially as the owners will increasingly lose interest and be more concerned as to how much of their money they can claw back. I don’t know if other clubs on sale have tangible assets that go with the price but we seem to just have a name and a lease the value of which will be ever decreasing. I don’t know how sponsorship compares to previous years and takings within the ground. Nigel T expects people who value their health to buy junk food on offer when you can buy a healthier option in one of the Kurdish or Ethnic restaurants nearby at fraction of the price. Supporting the club and respect for the fans is a cooperation and when like me I feel I am having the club taking the pi55 , you start to look at what you are getting for spending hard earned cash on a season ticket.
You are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pmNonsense.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:18 pmWhen we are paying increased sums in ticket prices for poor quality football one is entitled to criticise . You are talking as though BW are a a huge opposition.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 am
Comments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Many supporters knew our weaknesses earlier on this season and have highlighted impending problems. We need a complete shake up but that is unlikely to happen especially as the owners will increasingly lose interest and be more concerned as to how much of their money they can claw back. I don’t know if other clubs on sale have tangible assets that go with the price but we seem to just have a name and a lease the value of which will be ever decreasing. I don’t know how sponsorship compares to previous years and takings within the ground. Nigel T expects people who value their health to buy junk food on offer when you can buy a healthier option in one of the Kurdish or Ethnic restaurants nearby at fraction of the price. Supporting the club and respect for the fans is a cooperation and when like me I feel I am having the club taking the pi55 , you start to look at what you are getting for spending hard earned cash on a season ticket.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
2 way Contract?Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pmYou are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pmNonsense.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:18 pm
When we are paying increased sums in ticket prices for poor quality football one is entitled to criticise . You are talking as though BW are a a huge opposition.
Many supporters knew our weaknesses earlier on this season and have highlighted impending problems. We need a complete shake up but that is unlikely to happen especially as the owners will increasingly lose interest and be more concerned as to how much of their money they can claw back. I don’t know if other clubs on sale have tangible assets that go with the price but we seem to just have a name and a lease the value of which will be ever decreasing. I don’t know how sponsorship compares to previous years and takings within the ground. Nigel T expects people who value their health to buy junk food on offer when you can buy a healthier option in one of the Kurdish or Ethnic restaurants nearby at fraction of the price. Supporting the club and respect for the fans is a cooperation and when like me I feel I am having the club taking the pi55 , you start to look at what you are getting for spending hard earned cash on a season ticket.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
Has your Lawyer told you that?Ask someone to explain it to you.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:28 pm2 way Contract?Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pmYou are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pm
Nonsense.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
Has your Lawyer told you that?
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Explanation not needed as a Contract between the 2 doesn't exist. The club has a product it sells. If you purchase that then that is down to you.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:30 pmAsk someone to explain it to you.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:28 pm2 way Contract?Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pm
You are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .
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I mean a moral contract and a certain amount of decency not caveat emptor, we were buying tickets during Covid lockdown knowing we would not see any football we did it with a good heart and to support the club. People were working there for free during the crazed Italian reign.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:36 pmExplanation not needed as a Contract between the 2 doesn't exist. The club has a product it sells. If you purchase that then that is down to you.
What's that Latin saying about the buyer being aware?
Covid & the Italian have nothing to do with the present as far as good heart is concerned. You either back the club or you don't. Wishy washy fair weather support is not what makes clubs run.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:36 pmI mean a moral contract and a certain amount of decency not caveat emptor, we were buying tickets during Covid lockdown knowing we would not see any football we did it with a good heart and to support the club. People were working there for free during the crazed Italian reign.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:36 pmExplanation not needed as a Contract between the 2 doesn't exist. The club has a product it sells. If you purchase that then that is down to you.
What's that Latin saying about the buyer being aware?
Year on year for the last six seasons (bar one where we finished a whole two places lower) Orient have finished in a higher place than the year before. The reality is that this is unsustainable and its inevitable at some point we will have an unsuccessful season. Not everybody can win and some teams do have to get relegated. If you want a season ticket with guaranteed success support Manchester City, then again you would probably throw your toys out of the pram if they finished second. Criticism is fine as long people understand where we were when the new owners took over, and where we are now against other teams with far more resources.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pmYou are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pmNonsense.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:18 pm
When we are paying increased sums in ticket prices for poor quality football one is entitled to criticise . You are talking as though BW are a a huge opposition.
Many supporters knew our weaknesses earlier on this season and have highlighted impending problems. We need a complete shake up but that is unlikely to happen especially as the owners will increasingly lose interest and be more concerned as to how much of their money they can claw back. I don’t know if other clubs on sale have tangible assets that go with the price but we seem to just have a name and a lease the value of which will be ever decreasing. I don’t know how sponsorship compares to previous years and takings within the ground. Nigel T expects people who value their health to buy junk food on offer when you can buy a healthier option in one of the Kurdish or Ethnic restaurants nearby at fraction of the price. Supporting the club and respect for the fans is a cooperation and when like me I feel I am having the club taking the pi55 , you start to look at what you are getting for spending hard earned cash on a season ticket.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
I Dont know how long you been a Leyton Orient fan but I have for over 50 years man and boy, brought up in Leyton. You are failing to grasp the point. I certainly have experienced disappointment in that time. I support the team as I am local. As for supportingChelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:11 pmYear on year for the last six seasons (bar one where we finished a whole two places lower) Orient have finished in a higher place than the year before. The reality is that this is unsustainable and its inevitable at some point we will have an unsuccessful season. Not everybody can win and some teams do have to get relegated. If you want a season ticket with guaranteed success support Manchester City, then again you would probably throw your toys out of the pram if they finished second. Criticism is fine as long people understand where we were when the new owners took over, and where we are now against other teams with far more resources.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pmYou are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pm
Nonsense.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
Well there are far more disillusioned people on this board than me reading some historic posts. As for Covid and Italian I saw staff crying out the ground in despair so it has a lot to do with it. I want to support them forever but they seem to self destruct every few years.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:53 pmCovid & the Italian have nothing to do with the present as far as good heart is concerned. You either back the club or you don't. Wishy washy fair weather support is not what makes clubs run.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:36 pmI mean a moral contract and a certain amount of decency not caveat emptor, we were buying tickets during Covid lockdown knowing we would not see any football we did it with a good heart and to support the club. People were working there for free during the crazed Italian reign.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:36 pm
Explanation not needed as a Contract between the 2 doesn't exist. The club has a product it sells. If you purchase that then that is down to you.
What's that Latin saying about the buyer being aware?
Oh dear, the old totally ridiculous, ' if you want guaranteed success go support Man city'. Time to be growing up, I think. 'Toys out of the pram' not much better, either.Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:11 pmYear on year for the last six seasons (bar one where we finished a whole two places lower) Orient have finished in a higher place than the year before. The reality is that this is unsustainable and its inevitable at some point we will have an unsuccessful season. Not everybody can win and some teams do have to get relegated. If you want a season ticket with guaranteed success support Manchester City, then again you would probably throw your toys out of the pram if they finished second. Criticism is fine as long people understand where we were when the new owners took over, and where we are now against other teams with far more resources.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:25 pmYou are saying we cannot criticise. No you are saying we can. If I have a season off I won’t be coming back and I have been paying the club for many years. This is a two way contract. The club has a duty to fans and must earn their loyalty. Having arduously supported them financially when we dropped out the league I feel it may be fmdifferentbif we sink again. I know people who really struggle to pay for their seat and they deserve more .Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:52 pm
Nonsense.
Nobody holds a gun to your head so you hand over money to watch any football team. You choose to watch & you choose to criticise. Have a season off & try to fill your time better.
People crying has nothing to do with Travis or Ling or indeed Wellens.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:06 pmWell there are far more disillusioned people on this board than me reading some historic posts. As for Covid and Italian I saw staff crying out the ground in despair so it has a lot to do with it. I want to support them forever but they seem to self destruct every few years.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:53 pmCovid & the Italian have nothing to do with the present as far as good heart is concerned. You either back the club or you don't. Wishy washy fair weather support is not what makes clubs run.Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:36 pm
I mean a moral contract and a certain amount of decency not caveat emptor, we were buying tickets during Covid lockdown knowing we would not see any football we did it with a good heart and to support the club. People were working there for free during the crazed Italian reign.
Getting sent of is following team instructions! I don’t think so.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 amComments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
That isn't what he said though is it.Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:26 pmGetting sent of is following team instructions! I don’t think so.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 amComments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Acting on instructions.Pugwash wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:51 pmThat isn't what he said though is it.Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:26 pmGetting sent of is following team instructions! I don’t think so.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 am
Comments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Acting on instructions.Pugwash wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:51 pmThat isn't what he said though is it.Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:26 pmGetting sent of is following team instructions! I don’t think so.brentwoodo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:04 am
Comments like this are a real insult to the team and to one of our young players who has come through the ranks. I take it, as a so called supporter, you weren't at the game, Sweens had a pretty decent game yesterday, until the sending off and was actually one of our best players on the day.
And, both bookings/the red were due to him towing the team line and acting on instructions in breaking up play and if you look closely, in the final act of kicking the ball away, the Borehamwood player actually kicked the away ball whilst pushing Jayden over. Obviously the ref never picked this up.
And the team actually played quite well against a resilient BW for 60 minutes, as we have seen from most other ties, these games are far from pushovers. There was also still some belief from BW, lets not forget their cup exploits over the past 4 years or so. For us, the whole game changed after 60 minutes when the substitutions (some enforced) started. Pertinently, they had to move Galbraith to right back, Dom Ball who also played well and looks decent was starting to 'blow out of his arse'. That's when things started to go wrong and BW threw the kitchen sink at us for 15 minutes.
Yes, for part of the game, things didn't go plan, yes there have been one or two disappointing summer signings but also some decent ones on a limited budget which Nigel has publicly declared he is dealing with in seeking new investment.
It would be really nice if some of our 'so called supporters' would get behind the team and club during this sticky period rather than throw out these negative comments an insults. UTO's
Know what you're saying but you still shouldn't underplay the fans that blow like leaves in the wind.LittleMate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:54 pm I'd rather have 5,000 fans that will follow the club through thick and thin; support the players that wear the shirt and sweat in it; back the management when hey strive to improve - than have another 2,500 fans who blow like leaves in the wind.
Just saying.