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Also, it breeds arrogant, entitled, self absorbed little ***** (present company excepted, of course).

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:24 pm There is everything wrong with private education.

Banning it would force the state offering to be improved overnight.

How ?

Seriously?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:25 pm Also, it breeds arrogant, entitled, self absorbed little ***** (present company excepted, of course).

And that’s just nonsense and a sweeping generalisation .

State schools , in the current state , breeds ignorant, ill educated little *****. Is there a difference

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Yes. Will more money suddenly appear. Will more schools be built. Will better teachers be found. ? Nothing will change.

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:31 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:25 pm Also, it breeds arrogant, entitled, self absorbed little ***** (present company excepted, of course).

And that’s just nonsense and a sweeping generalisation .

State schools , in the current state , breeds ignorant, ill educated little *****. Is there a difference

Let’s go with your sweeping generalisation, George.

‘In the current state’ - so, how do we get them out of their current state?

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Yes. Will more money suddenly appear.

Yes. If there isn’t an opt out option for those with power, influence and money, then yes, more money will suddenly appear.

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Will more schools be built.

We don’t need to build more schools. We (kind of) have enough schools for the amount of children in this country. It’s just some of them have lots of funding and others don’t have enough.

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Will better teachers be found. ?

Yes. Paying a decent wage and improving working conditions overall would attract better candidates and also motivate those currently emoted.

Smart thing to do is pay for private tutoring instead and get them into a decent grammar

Then you save long term on fees and can still say your kid goes to a state school at middle class dinner parties and they worked really hard to pass their 11+

World class trolling.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:41 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Will better teachers be found. ?

Yes. Paying a decent wage and improving working conditions overall would attract better candidates and also motivate those currently emoted.

Ok. But we have always had private schools and we used to have (70s80s) good state schools . It isn’t that simple is it. And if you have ever tried to get your child into a state school you would appreciate that it is not always that straightforward. How would you have fewer kids in classes without more capacity

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:37 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:32 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm Seriously?

Yes. Will more money suddenly appear.

Yes. If there isn’t an opt out option for those with power, influence and money, then yes, more money will suddenly appear.

So then we need to ban private schools completely. That will never happen. We are way beyond that making a difference. Ill educated children become ill educated parents who produce more ill educated children. The mistakes in education, lack of funding , can be traced back to the last century. It will take another 50 years to pull it around if changes were made now. Putting VAT on private school education is vindictive

Presumably you didn't go to a private school?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:16 pm Presumably you didn't go to a private school?

I went to grammar school in the 70s but I do have 4 grandchildren in private school. I also have a brother in law who heads an academy looking after a number of state schools.

Sending your kid to prep school is a good idea if you can afford it. Not only does your kid get the best education there are a lot of other subtle benefits too.

For example, it prevents those awkward moments when they’re at a birthday party and they want to give your kid something terrible like sliced white bread for lunch

1.5bn was laid out to agencies in 22/23 to send in supply teachers to replace those on long term sick leave. That will take some motivation to get them back to work.

Relentless.

If we're to ban private education, can we ban religious schools too?

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:29 pm If we're to ban private education, can we ban religious schools too?

Sounds good unless you’re catholic!

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:16 pm Presumably you didn't go to a private school?

I went to grammar school in the 70s but I do have 4 grandchildren in private school. I also have a brother in law who heads an academy looking after a number of state schools.

Don't you have to pass an intelligence test to go to a grammar though?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:50 pm World class trolling.

Thought I’d read the comments. Most entertaining!!

Jeremy Clarkson not happy. Clearly evidencing his motivation for buying a farm

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:14 pm Jeremy Clarkson not happy. Clearly evidencing his motivation for buying a farm

No better recommendation than “Clarkson not happy”

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:55 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:16 pm Presumably you didn't go to a private school?

I went to grammar school in the 70s but I do have 4 grandchildren in private school. I also have a brother in law who heads an academy looking after a number of state schools.

Don't you have to pass an intelligence test to go to a grammar though?

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