Independent Leyton Orient Forum

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:19 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:15 pm They know they won’t be dropped because there’s nobody to replace them.

And for the youth loanees it makes no difference to them what happens to Orient, they're off at the end of the season regardless

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm Have to say that our budget is killing us. Wycombe had Bakinson in midfield today he wasn't great but we tried to sign him in the summer and we could not compete with what Wycombe offered him. We desperately need an influx of money before January, send back two maybe three loanees and try and move on a couple of the squad in January and bring in Three or four players who can make a difference.

Shows how crap our scouting is they brought on Kone at half time eight goals this season and signed from the Essex Senior League. he looked way better than anything we have.

Need to address this one, are the board straight up lying to fans when they say it's a mid-table budget for League 1?

If they are telling porkies and running with a bottom 4 budget then relegation will be what they reap.

However if we've got a semi-decent budget we have to look at the recruitment issues that have been there since January and make changes further up as the performance has been really, really poor two windows on the trot.

I feel sorry for the season ticket holders, I think they were sucked in by Travis with the ‘you’ll be pleased’ with the signings over the next few weeks. The club made sure of receiving a tranche of money early to be spent where? All they’ve done is improve Hearn’s stadium.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:19 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:15 pm They know they won’t be dropped because there’s nobody to replace them.

And for the youth loanees it makes no difference to them what happens to Orient, they're off at the end of the season regardless

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm Have to say that our budget is killing us. Wycombe had Bakinson in midfield today he wasn't great but we tried to sign him in the summer and we could not compete with what Wycombe offered him. We desperately need an influx of money before January, send back two maybe three loanees and try and move on a couple of the squad in January and bring in Three or four players who can make a difference.

Shows how crap our scouting is they brought on Kone at half time eight goals this season and signed from the Essex Senior League. he looked way better than anything we have.

Need to address this one, are the board straight up lying to fans when they say it's a mid-table budget for League 1?

If they are telling porkies and running with a bottom 4 budget then relegation will be what they reap.

However if we've got a semi-decent budget we have to look at the recruitment issues that have been there since January and make changes further up as the performance has been really, really poor two windows on the trot.

I feel sorry for the season ticket holders, I think they were sucked in by Travis with the ‘you’ll be pleased’ with the signings over the next few weeks. The club made sure of receiving a tranche of money early to be spent where? All they’ve done is improve Hearn’s stadium.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:05 pm Having extended his contract I doubt we can afford to sack him.

Richie isn't the one who needs sacking . The clubs board are the people who should look at themselves in the mirror.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:46 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:05 pm Having extended his contract I doubt we can afford to sack him.

Richie isn't the one who needs sacking . The clubs board are the people who should look at themselves in the mirror.

I never said we should sack him did I, but pointed out that even if the board wanted too it's not an option.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:49 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:46 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm

Richie isn't the one who needs sacking . The clubs board are the people who should look at themselves in the mirror.

I never said we should sack him did I, but pointed out that even if the board wanted too it's not an option.

Good because in my opinion he doesn't deserve it .

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:19 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:15 pm They know they won’t be dropped because there’s nobody to replace them.

And for the youth loanees it makes no difference to them what happens to Orient, they're off at the end of the season regardless

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:14 pm Have to say that our budget is killing us. Wycombe had Bakinson in midfield today he wasn't great but we tried to sign him in the summer and we could not compete with what Wycombe offered him. We desperately need an influx of money before January, send back two maybe three loanees and try and move on a couple of the squad in January and bring in Three or four players who can make a difference.

Shows how crap our scouting is they brought on Kone at half time eight goals this season and signed from the Essex Senior League. he looked way better than anything we have.

Need to address this one, are the board straight up lying to fans when they say it's a mid-table budget for League 1?

If they are telling porkies and running with a bottom 4 budget then relegation will be what they reap.

However if we've got a semi-decent budget we have to look at the recruitment issues that have been there since January and make changes further up as the performance has been really, really poor two windows on the trot.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:11 pm RW said in his post match interview that we have one of the lowest budgets in the league, which seems at odds which what I have heard from the club before, but he cited Wycombe’s players and that their squad is simply better and more experienced than us.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:29 am At the risk of sounding dumb, how would we know the budget of other clubs? Surely this is commercially sensitive information. I get we might find out afterwards when reporting is complete, but not beforehand. What am I missing?

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:34 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:11 pm RW said in his post match interview that we have one of the lowest budgets in the league, which seems at odds which what I have heard from the club before, but he cited Wycombe’s players and that their squad is simply better and more experienced than us.

And all this may be true, but I doubt that is the attitude Boreham Wood will have next week. We have to work harder, be better and show some resilience. Punch above our weight. Plenty of clubs have done it over the years.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:45 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:34 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:11 pm RW said in his post match interview that we have one of the lowest budgets in the league, which seems at odds which what I have heard from the club before, but he cited Wycombe’s players and that their squad is simply better and more experienced than us.

And all this may be true, but I doubt that is the attitude Boreham Wood will have next week. We have to work harder, be better and show some resilience. Punch above our weight. Plenty of clubs have done it over the years.

You have to have heart , guts and determination for that . None of that was on show yesterday.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:28 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:29 am At the risk of sounding dumb, how would we know the budget of other clubs? Surely this is commercially sensitive information. I get we might find out afterwards when reporting is complete, but not beforehand. What am I missing?

Very good question, save that one for the next Q&A would be interesting to know

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:07 pm

faith1234 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:27 pm Is this the end of the great man

Why ? This debacle is down to the clubs board for not backing him properly in the transfer market during the Summer . Going cheap with players like Perkins was never going to cut it .

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:32 pm Getting a little bit bored of the "we're just ickle wickle Leyton Orient with a smol budget " line after every defeat.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:07 pm

faith1234 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:27 pm Is this the end of the great man

Why ? This debacle is down to the clubs board for not backing him properly in the transfer market during the Summer . Going cheap with players like Perkins was never going to cut it .

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:10 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:07 pm

Why ? This debacle is down to the clubs board for not backing him properly in the transfer market during the Summer . Going cheap with players like Perkins was never going to cut it .

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

No but the fact remains we can't compete off the pitch . We definitely need new investment from somewhere or we'll start sliding backwards

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:21 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:10 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

No but the fact remains we can't compete off the pitch . We definitely need new investment from somewhere or we'll start sliding backwards

So you lied about the club not backing Ricky?

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:35 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:28 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:29 am At the risk of sounding dumb, how would we know the budget of other clubs? Surely this is commercially sensitive information. I get we might find out afterwards when reporting is complete, but not beforehand. What am I missing?

Very good question, save that one for the next Q&A would be interesting to know

No need, you look at last seasons budgets released for tax reasons & base your next budget on that. Look at the other 23 clubs last financial years & you can easily work it out. There really is some low level intelligence amongst football fans

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:43 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:21 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:10 pm

No but the fact remains we can't compete off the pitch . We definitely need new investment from somewhere or we'll start sliding backwards

So you lied about the club not backing Ricky?

No .

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:08 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:35 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:28 am

Very good question, save that one for the next Q&A would be interesting to know

No need, you look at last seasons budgets released for tax reasons & base your next budget on that. Look at the other 23 clubs last financial years & you can easily work it out. There really is some low level intelligence amongst football fans

Really no need for that rudeness & tone of superiority It reflects poorly on you.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:07 pm

faith1234 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:27 pm Is this the end of the great man

Why ? This debacle is down to the clubs board for not backing him properly in the transfer market during the Summer . Going cheap with players like Perkins was never going to cut it .

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:02 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:07 pm

Why ? This debacle is down to the clubs board for not backing him properly in the transfer market during the Summer . Going cheap with players like Perkins was never going to cut it .

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

It’s my belief that it’s Nigel’s fault for not doing his homework with foresight when we were promoted into League 1 in not realising that he would not have sufficient funds for the team to have sufficient budget to progress any further or possibly be relegated.That being the case Nigel should have looked for massive investors s soon as the club were assured points wise of promotion.
We need investors that will sufficiently fund the team for promotion in the very short term and a move to a new ground in the long term.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:07 pm

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:02 pm

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:36 pm

Is it Nigels faul he is running out of Money?

It’s my belief that it’s Nigel’s fault for not doing his homework with foresight when we were promoted into League 1 in not realising that he would not have sufficient funds for the team to have sufficient budget to progress any further or possibly be relegated.That being the case Nigel should have looked for massive investors s soon as the club were assured points wise of promotion.
We need investors that will sufficiently fund the team for promotion in the very short term and a move to a new ground in the long term.

He's said after winning the National League title if we looked like getting to league 1 investment would be sought. If he's to blame for anything it's looking at the wrong type of financial backing

Story of O wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:48 pm We don’t know how he went about it. Investors with the wealth you think we need are not easy to find