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Have you been on the ales this evening by any chance?Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:30 pmWell I didn't want the World to know God was an O's fanThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:28 pmStrange alias this one.Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:21 pm
It's what I should have said instead of giving you confirmation
Thanks to you the Cat is out of the bag
Asking about Ale consumption after asking a fairytale character if the fairytale character could make Perkins a decent player is a bit rich darlingThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:33 pmHave you been on the ales this evening by any chance?Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:30 pmWell I didn't want the World to know God was an O's fan
Thanks to you the Cat is out of the bag
Glad someone gets it, just put this into perspective for a momentRich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pm Unfortunately he’s literally too good for us. Ling has reached his potential and whilst he remains in place, any manager will have one hand tied behind his back. The squad is better than its position but with a lack of quality and youth it’s always quite easy to slip into bad form and then be in a relegation battle.
I don’t think Richie would get fired though even if we were to go down
I don’t think RW will be fired but I believe he will walk after the January transfer unless the budget is made immediately to bring in the quality of players we need for the rest of the season and a commitment to supply the massive budget needed to get us at least in the play offs next season.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pm Unfortunately he’s literally too good for us. Ling has reached his potential and whilst he remains in place, any manager will have one hand tied behind his back. The squad is better than its position but with a lack of quality and youth it’s always quite easy to slip into bad form and then be in a relegation battle.
I don’t think Richie would get fired though even if we were to go down
When I say he’s too good it’s a weird one. If he worked with better technical players at a higher standard I think he’d absolutely fly. Unfortunately he’s trying to be Pep with league one players who are kids or pretty averageessexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:38 pm Wellens is far from too good for Leyton Orient, he is yet to really prove himself in this league and needs to do that this year, if he was that good he wouldn't be here is the utter truth, I think he could a be a Championship manager or higher but his main fatal flaw is just Plan A, backing players that doesn't perform, no plan and possession means absolutely sod if you do nothing with it, every team that plays Orient knows if they give Orient the ball they will do nothing with it and get a chance themselves
The next 10-20 games are going to be pivotal for Wellens career and Orient
As Richie said you can't afford to waste any of it, meanwhile...Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:38 pmIt's called a Tiny budget, x amount of players uses up that tiny budget. Don't be expecting great players with ours
My thoughts exactly and that is why JE was a better manager than RW. Justin inherited a side that could not play the system Davis had tried to make them play and Justin made the best of what he had and put together a way of playing that made the best use of the available players he had to choose from.OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:48 pmI think you’re right, and it’s a common mistake, people often do it.essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:57 pm Richie needs to wake up, he needs to go away from what he says as idealistic plan a football and focus more on how to win games, the current malaise isn't doing his career any good nor Orient
You can’t buy a fiesta and drive it like a Ferrari - it will either blow up or embarrass you
Richie has done the FA badges and has a way he wants to work, he’s watched the systems that the premier league top teams operate and thinks that what he wants us to do. But what he seems to be missing is that he’s unable to adapt his methods to the options available.
You can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear, so, you cut your cloth accordingly. If the players you have can’t play the system you want you either need to change the system or change the players, and I don’t see the manager looking to change the system.
Get into the championship and then start to play ‘man city’ style, but at this moment it’s not working, clearly
Edinburgh also made big changes towards the end of the conference promotion season when a load of injuries forced him to come up with that 5 at the back / wing back solution which carried us over the line. He really was an excellent manger.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:01 pmMy thoughts exactly and that is why JE was a better manager than RW. Justin inherited a side that could not play the system Davis had tried to make them play and Justin made the best of what he had and put together a way of playing that made the best use of the available players he had to choose from.OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:48 pmI think you’re right, and it’s a common mistake, people often do it.essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:57 pm Richie needs to wake up, he needs to go away from what he says as idealistic plan a football and focus more on how to win games, the current malaise isn't doing his career any good nor Orient
You can’t buy a fiesta and drive it like a Ferrari - it will either blow up or embarrass you
Richie has done the FA badges and has a way he wants to work, he’s watched the systems that the premier league top teams operate and thinks that what he wants us to do. But what he seems to be missing is that he’s unable to adapt his methods to the options available.
You can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear, so, you cut your cloth accordingly. If the players you have can’t play the system you want you either need to change the system or change the players, and I don’t see the manager looking to change the system.
Get into the championship and then start to play ‘man city’ style, but at this moment it’s not working, clearly
All you have written is still down to a tiny budget, Ruel is now earning 40% more somewhere else & he wasn't even great. Average to good at bestgshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:45 pmAs Richie said you can't afford to waste any of it, meanwhile...Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:38 pmIt's called a Tiny budget, x amount of players uses up that tiny budget. Don't be expecting great players with ours
GK - sign someone so poor you have to sign an second loanee to cover the first one. Meanwhile still paying for the original #2 GK to go out on loan and also paying for two academy players who are barely bench fodder. That's 5 players for 2 roles.
CM - Warrington... wtf has this signing been about? Another one eating up the budget for 0 useful output
ST - made such a bad mistake with Pigott last season we're paying for him to play for someone else, another recruitment fail
Perkins
Donley
Keeley
All first-time youth loans (Perkins' handful of minutes at Oxford don't count for anything meaningful). Unless all of those are free another waste of wages
Wellins is unable to think outside of the box and needs to change his way of playing from this game onwards. For a start his persistence with playing Kelman up top is not working and time to try something else.The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:12 pmEdinburgh also made big changes towards the end of the conference promotion season when a load of injuries forced him to come up with that 5 at the back / wing back solution which carried us over the line. He really was an excellent manger.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:01 pmMy thoughts exactly and that is why JE was a better manager than RW. Justin inherited a side that could not play the system Davis had tried to make them play and Justin made the best of what he had and put together a way of playing that made the best use of the available players he had to choose from.OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:48 pm
I think you’re right, and it’s a common mistake, people often do it.
You can’t buy a fiesta and drive it like a Ferrari - it will either blow up or embarrass you
Richie has done the FA badges and has a way he wants to work, he’s watched the systems that the premier league top teams operate and thinks that what he wants us to do. But what he seems to be missing is that he’s unable to adapt his methods to the options available.
You can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear, so, you cut your cloth accordingly. If the players you have can’t play the system you want you either need to change the system or change the players, and I don’t see the manager looking to change the system.
Get into the championship and then start to play ‘man city’ style, but at this moment it’s not working, clearly
Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:22 pmAll you have written is still down to a tiny budget, Ruel is now earning 40% more somewhere else & he wasn't even great. Average to good at bestgshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:45 pmAs Richie said you can't afford to waste any of it, meanwhile...Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:38 pm
It's called a Tiny budget, x amount of players uses up that tiny budget. Don't be expecting great players with ours
GK - sign someone so poor you have to sign an second loanee to cover the first one. Meanwhile still paying for the original #2 GK to go out on loan and also paying for two academy players who are barely bench fodder. That's 5 players for 2 roles.
CM - Warrington... wtf has this signing been about? Another one eating up the budget for 0 useful output
ST - made such a bad mistake with Pigott last season we're paying for him to play for someone else, another recruitment fail
Perkins
Donley
Keeley
All first-time youth loans (Perkins' handful of minutes at Oxford don't count for anything meaningful). Unless all of those are free another waste of wages
Decent L1 players are out of our budget range, we don't have room for expensive so pish is what we get.
All down to a tiny budget, if you think its something else you're very much mistaken.
New Ownership with deeper pockets who aren't crooks is what we need
''New Ownership with deeper pockets who aren't crooks is what we need''Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:27 pmBandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:22 pmAll you have written is still down to a tiny budget, Ruel is now earning 40% more somewhere else & he wasn't even great. Average to good at bestgshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:45 pm
As Richie said you can't afford to waste any of it, meanwhile...
GK - sign someone so poor you have to sign an second loanee to cover the first one. Meanwhile still paying for the original #2 GK to go out on loan and also paying for two academy players who are barely bench fodder. That's 5 players for 2 roles.
CM - Warrington... wtf has this signing been about? Another one eating up the budget for 0 useful output
ST - made such a bad mistake with Pigott last season we're paying for him to play for someone else, another recruitment fail
Perkins
Donley
Keeley
All first-time youth loans (Perkins' handful of minutes at Oxford don't count for anything meaningful). Unless all of those are free another waste of wages
Decent L1 players are out of our budget range, we don't have room for expensive so pish is what we get.
All down to a tiny budget, if you think its something else you're very much mistaken.
New Ownership with deeper pockets who aren't crooks is what we need
We haveBandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:29 pm He's going nowhere, We haven't paid off Jackett or The Bournemouth Loan Manager yet
You know R signed DJ & Warrington. Needs to take responsibilitygshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:28 pmGlad someone gets it, just put this into perspective for a momentRich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pm Unfortunately he’s literally too good for us. Ling has reached his potential and whilst he remains in place, any manager will have one hand tied behind his back. The squad is better than its position but with a lack of quality and youth it’s always quite easy to slip into bad form and then be in a relegation battle.
I don’t think Richie would get fired though even if we were to go down
Manager wins League 2
Manager gets into a promotion position in League 1 but isn't backed in January window
Manager calls for better recruitment processes and signings in summer
Manager gets given a weaker squad than last season made up of a bunch of first-time youth loanees and a flaky 4th choice GK
When the results go poorly people call for the manager to go... nope look deeper.
Even if we went down I'd back Richie to get us back up but wider changes need to be made within the club as something isn't working behind the scenes.
RW wanted Warrington. He needs to adapt. Revell is doing okay at Stevo with a similar or less budgetgshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:45 pmAs Richie said you can't afford to waste any of it, meanwhile...Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:38 pmIt's called a Tiny budget, x amount of players uses up that tiny budget. Don't be expecting great players with ours
GK - sign someone so poor you have to sign an second loanee to cover the first one. Meanwhile still paying for the original #2 GK to go out on loan and also paying for two academy players who are barely bench fodder. That's 5 players for 2 roles.
CM - Warrington... wtf has this signing been about? Another one eating up the budget for 0 useful output
ST - made such a bad mistake with Pigott last season we're paying for him to play for someone else, another recruitment fail
Perkins
Donley
Keeley
All first-time youth loans (Perkins' handful of minutes at Oxford don't count for anything meaningful). Unless all of those are free another waste of wages
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:27 pm I rate Richie highly and think he's a very good quality manager . The real problem is the utter dross he's been given to work with . If anybody is to blame it's the clubs board .
In my opinion the clubs board hasn't backed Richie in the transfer market and now we're paying for it . It's short sighted from the club because how much would relegation cost us next season . It would have been cheaper to buy El-Mizgshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:28 pmGlad someone gets it, just put this into perspective for a momentRich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pm Unfortunately he’s literally too good for us. Ling has reached his potential and whilst he remains in place, any manager will have one hand tied behind his back. The squad is better than its position but with a lack of quality and youth it’s always quite easy to slip into bad form and then be in a relegation battle.
I don’t think Richie would get fired though even if we were to go down
Manager wins League 2
Manager gets into a promotion position in League 1 but isn't backed in January window
Manager calls for better recruitment processes and signings in summer
Manager gets given a weaker squad than last season made up of a bunch of first-time youth loanees and a flaky 4th choice GK
When the results go poorly people call for the manager to go... nope look deeper.
Even if we went down I'd back Richie to get us back up but wider changes need to be made within the club as something isn't working behind the scenes.
Context is important...Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:02 pmRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:27 pm I rate Richie highly and think he's a very good quality manager . The real problem is the utter dross he's been given to work with . If anybody is to blame it's the clubs board .
Are you seriously suggesting that Wellens has no say in the signings? He was instrumental in signing Kelman again. That alone calls his judgement into question.
Exactly and that's why Richie keeps complaining that our subs have no impact when they come on .gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:03 pmContext is important...Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:02 pmRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:27 pm I rate Richie highly and think he's a very good quality manager . The real problem is the utter dross he's been given to work with . If anybody is to blame it's the clubs board .
Are you seriously suggesting that Wellens has no say in the signings? He was instrumental in signing Kelman again. That alone calls his judgement into question.
Kelman as one of 3-4 senior pro strikers, perfectly fine (remember he's still our top goal scorer this season)
Kelman as one of 2 senior pro strikers, nowhere near enough
Even if we had Alfie May and Stansfield you can't expect two players to see you through every game. The quality of those who are meant to be challenging the starters is miles off the level
