Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:57 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:51 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:40 pm

The evidence of the last decade or so at Orient (and other Clubs) suggests that the overwhelming majority of fans would go along with anything so long as money was getting spaffed on their Club.

Correct . As a general rule the clubs with all the money are at the top and the clubs that haven't are at the bottom . I'd rather Orient were at the top

Guess this marks out the difference between people who follow football and consider its just about winning at all costs and hang the ethics or consequences and those who still believe it's about something else. For those that fall into the latter camp, don't really understand why they don't just support another team.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:06 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:55 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 6:40 pm

The evidence of the last decade or so at Orient (and other Clubs) suggests that the overwhelming majority of fans would go along with anything so long as money was getting spaffed on their Club.

This.

Look how - most of - our fanbase lapped up Bechetti and his entourage when that hit our club 10 years ago. They were happy to ignore all the nonsense that came with it for an enhanced playing budget.

But he high fived fans in the car park Dagenham and gave Dosenna £9k a week!! How can you say he was bad?

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:33 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:57 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:51 am

Correct . As a general rule the clubs with all the money are at the top and the clubs that haven't are at the bottom . I'd rather Orient were at the top

Guess this marks out the difference between people who follow football and consider its just about winning at all costs and hang the ethics or consequences and those who still believe it's about something else. For those that fall into the latter camp, don't really understand why they don't just support another team.

I'm in the "win at all costs" camp as that's what professional sport is all about. I really couldn't care less for the "community" ethos thing that often gets bandied around as a USP at Orient.

As for why not another team... you don't choose your team it's often passed through family etc. and that doesn't change.

As for the mad Italian, all he had to do was provide the funds and leave the football side well alone and he could've had all the adulation T&T have experienced but his ego was too big, hence ending in a circus. Big money isn't intrinsically bad, it's how the owners spend it and manage the club.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:42 pm What is this bizarre obsession people have with a new stadium?

The chance to control our own destiny free of the shackles and money drain that Hearn has placed on the club. Just remember at at, say £300 a pop the first 1000 ST sales go straight into his pocket every season

The Reverend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:14 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:33 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:57 am

Guess this marks out the difference between people who follow football and consider its just about winning at all costs and hang the ethics or consequences and those who still believe it's about something else. For those that fall into the latter camp, don't really understand why they don't just support another team.

I'm in the "win at all costs" camp as that's what professional sport is all about. I really couldn't care less for the "community" ethos thing that often gets bandied around as a USP at Orient.

As for why not another team... you don't choose your team it's often passed through family etc. and that doesn't change.

As for the mad Italian, all he had to do was provide the funds and leave the football side well alone and he could've had all the adulation T&T have experienced but his ego was too big, hence ending in a circus. Big money isn't intrinsically bad, it's how the owners spend it and manage the club.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:42 pm What is this bizarre obsession people have with a new stadium?

The chance to control our own destiny free of the shackles and money drain that Hearn has placed on the club. Just remember at at, say £300 a pop the first 1000 ST sales go straight into his pocket every season

If Leyton Orient moved out of Leyton (which presumably would be the only option for a new ground) then that would probably be it for me. Travelling out of my way to watch rearranged Tuesday night fixtures in a half empty soulless Ikea kit stadium in Essex somewhere doesn’t appeal to me.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:04 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:57 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:51 am

Correct . As a general rule the clubs with all the money are at the top and the clubs that haven't are at the bottom . I'd rather Orient were at the top

Guess this marks out the difference between people who follow football and consider its just about winning at all costs and hang the ethics or consequences and those who still believe it's about something else. For those that fall into the latter camp, don't really understand why they don't just support another team.

Because any other club isn’t Orient and Orient is the club I love. That’s why given the choice I’d rather Orient was doing well at the top .

The Reverend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:14 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:33 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:57 am

Guess this marks out the difference between people who follow football and consider its just about winning at all costs and hang the ethics or consequences and those who still believe it's about something else. For those that fall into the latter camp, don't really understand why they don't just support another team.

I'm in the "win at all costs" camp as that's what professional sport is all about. I really couldn't care less for the "community" ethos thing that often gets bandied around as a USP at Orient.

As for why not another team... you don't choose your team it's often passed through family etc. and that doesn't change.

As for the mad Italian, all he had to do was provide the funds and leave the football side well alone and he could've had all the adulation T&T have experienced but his ego was too big, hence ending in a circus. Big money isn't intrinsically bad, it's how the owners spend it and manage the club.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:42 pm What is this bizarre obsession people have with a new stadium?

The chance to control our own destiny free of the shackles and money drain that Hearn has placed on the club. Just remember at at, say £300 a pop the first 1000 ST sales go straight into his pocket every season

If Leyton Orient moved out of Leyton (which presumably would be the only option for a new ground) then that would probably be it for me. Travelling out of my way to watch rearranged Tuesday night fixtures in a half empty soulless Ikea kit stadium in Essex somewhere doesn’t appeal to me.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:06 pm I'd be very surprised if the ownership wasn't angling for us to get in on the huge redevelopment site that's coming up around the new Spittalfields market area - it's our last, best shot at staying in Leyton and keeping that advantage of being a 15 minute journey from central London.