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Recurring theme unfortunately, no end product or cutting edge, out playing teams is all well and good but possession doesn’t win you the game. Don’t get me wrong we played some good football yesterday but until we get a decent striker? Dan A should have started yesterday instead of Kelman. Dan A seems to have gone backwards imo, this is because he’s been dicked around by Wellens. Stop messing him about and put him in one position and give him a run of games and tell him not to be so selfish on the ball. Next window a decent striker for once please.

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:39 am I so miss ComeUpYourNose coming on here (usually after a defeat or a "two points lost" draw) and miserably slating Orient and predicting his annual "Wellens will be gone by Christmas" crud. But I guess we now have Qin to do that instead... could they be related?

I miss him too to a certain extent, but definitely not for his extreme politics.
...But he didn't always criticise the team.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:54 pm
Ball 8. El Miz who ni?

Agree with this rating and I'm surprised you are the only one to really point it out. I thought he would only be a 45 minute player today but he was effective for 75 minutes and the remaining 15 were not down to him or the midfield (you were right about Graham too - Wellens pulled him onto the left side so he could rant at him some more!).

You can see why Ritchie spent 2 months trying to get him; he looks like a man in that midfield. Got a couple of things wrong towards the end (they all did) but I put that down to fatigue and not playing the position for over a season. Tuesday might come a little early for him, depending on how Ritchie sees Exeter as playing, but he will be starting at Lincoln IMO. One consequence of his emergence for us (if he continues in yesterdays vein) could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded? I can't see a place for the pair of them given the other talents in the squad.

Pagan Orient wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:51 am Some good player observations here. As for Wrexham, very prosaic style has served them well over the past few years but wouldn't be surprised if they hit a brick wall sooner rather than later. Certainly hope that teams who play with more brio will go up.

Again, that may well be down to us - there can’t be any teams in this division that press as well as we do with Kelman and Galbraith. They were forced to go direct for 60+ minutes because we didn’t give them any alternative.

Their right winger was decent when he got into the game in spells. Hes the first player I’ve seen trouble Currie.

But yeah, they were pretty basic, not sure I’d expect anything else from a Parkinson side.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:45 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:54 pm
Ball 8. El Miz who ni?

Agree with this rating and I'm surprised you are the only one to really point it out. I thought he would only be a 45 minute player today but he was effective for 75 minutes and the remaining 15 were not down to him or the midfield (you were right about Graham too - Wellens pulled him onto the left side so he could rant at him some more!).

You can see why Ritchie spent 2 months trying to get him; he looks like a man in that midfield. Got a couple of things wrong towards the end (they all did) but I put that down to fatigue and not playing the position for over a season. Tuesday might come a little early for him, depending on how Ritchie sees Exeter as playing, but he will be starting at Lincoln IMO. One consequence of his emergence for us (if he continues in yesterdays vein) could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded? I can't see a place for the pair of them given the other talents in the squad.

All of this.

The mistakes at the end were absolutely down to fatigue. I’m guessing the plan wasn’t to leave him out there for 90 mins but needs must.

y o y o y wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:29 pm Another good performance from the O's. A game we deserved to win
Some of our players appeared to be suffering the after-effects of their non stop running against Posh, Currie and Galbraith didn't match their excellent showing of Tuesday night , although both played well. Hemming looked much improved on his nightmare start to the season.
Beckles just edges it as MOM for me following on from his good display on Tuesday


Hemming 7
James 7
Beckles 8
Simpson 7
Cooper 7
Currie 6
Ball 7
Clare 7
Donley 6
Galbraith 7
Kelman 6

Subs
Brown 5
Agyei 5
Graham 4

Wrexham 5

Ref 7

Very good and well thought out summing up of the game.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:47 pm The axis of Ball - Clare and Galbraith impressed.

Kelman should have scored and whomever never scored on 20 won't sleep tonight.

Having held us at 0-0 they were unlucky not to win, having been outplayed by us for most of the game.

Oh, and the people saying Hemmings should have caught that shot in the second half need reminding that keepers catch very little these days. That's why it was good to see Hemmings made 2 good claims in the last quarter.

''keepers catch very little these days''
Yes so true and wonder why that is ?

If Moncur comes back in Jan, it’s because a National League side don’t think he’s good enough to play National league football.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:45 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:54 pm
Ball 8. El Miz who ni?

Agree with this rating and I'm surprised you are the only one to really point it out. I thought he would only be a 45 minute player today but he was effective for 75 minutes and the remaining 15 were not down to him or the midfield (you were right about Graham too - Wellens pulled him onto the left side so he could rant at him some more!).

You can see why Ritchie spent 2 months trying to get him; he looks like a man in that midfield. Got a couple of things wrong towards the end (they all did) but I put that down to fatigue and not playing the position for over a season. Tuesday might come a little early for him, depending on how Ritchie sees Exeter as playing, but he will be starting at Lincoln IMO. One consequence of his emergence for us (if he continues in yesterdays vein) could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded? I can't see a place for the pair of them given the other talents in the squad.

''could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded ?''
Really, well be surprised if that happens and remember he is only on a one season contract and now part of the furniture here.
I think far more likely he will become part of the backroom coaching staff next season.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:16 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:47 pm The axis of Ball - Clare and Galbraith impressed.

Kelman should have scored and whomever never scored on 20 won't sleep tonight.

Having held us at 0-0 they were unlucky not to win, having been outplayed by us for most of the game.

Oh, and the people saying Hemmings should have caught that shot in the second half need reminding that keepers catch very little these days. That's why it was good to see Hemmings made 2 good claims in the last quarter.

''keepers catch very little these days''
Yes so true and wonder why that is ?

The ball is so much lighter these days - you just don't know what its going to do so you dare not even try to catch it.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:43 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:45 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:54 pm
Ball 8. El Miz who ni?

Agree with this rating and I'm surprised you are the only one to really point it out. I thought he would only be a 45 minute player today but he was effective for 75 minutes and the remaining 15 were not down to him or the midfield (you were right about Graham too - Wellens pulled him onto the left side so he could rant at him some more!).

You can see why Ritchie spent 2 months trying to get him; he looks like a man in that midfield. Got a couple of things wrong towards the end (they all did) but I put that down to fatigue and not playing the position for over a season. Tuesday might come a little early for him, depending on how Ritchie sees Exeter as playing, but he will be starting at Lincoln IMO. One consequence of his emergence for us (if he continues in yesterdays vein) could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded? I can't see a place for the pair of them given the other talents in the squad.

''could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded ?''
Really, well be surprised if that happens and remember he is only on a one season contract and now part of the furniture here.
I think far more likely he will become part of the backroom coaching staff next season.

I'd like to see him on board but at present there's no room for him and even more importantly I think he can still do a good job at league level - and I think he may think that too. Saving a large portion of his wages in January could be a striker....

Along with Jack Currie yesterday was the first time I've seen Dom Ball play and both players look like real good players to me . Since they have arrived they have improved us quite a bit .

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:26 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:43 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:45 am

Agree with this rating and I'm surprised you are the only one to really point it out. I thought he would only be a 45 minute player today but he was effective for 75 minutes and the remaining 15 were not down to him or the midfield (you were right about Graham too - Wellens pulled him onto the left side so he could rant at him some more!).

You can see why Ritchie spent 2 months trying to get him; he looks like a man in that midfield. Got a couple of things wrong towards the end (they all did) but I put that down to fatigue and not playing the position for over a season. Tuesday might come a little early for him, depending on how Ritchie sees Exeter as playing, but he will be starting at Lincoln IMO. One consequence of his emergence for us (if he continues in yesterdays vein) could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded? I can't see a place for the pair of them given the other talents in the squad.

''could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded ?''
Really, well be surprised if that happens and remember he is only on a one season contract and now part of the furniture here.
I think far more likely he will become part of the backroom coaching staff next season.

I'd like to see him on board but at present there's no room for him and even more importantly I think he can still do a good job at league level - and I think he may think that too. Saving a large portion of his wages in January could be a striker....

I would say Darren Pratley probably has one eye on doing a coaching job now anyway .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:12 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:26 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:43 pm


''could be that Darren Pratley could be offloaded ?''
Really, well be surprised if that happens and remember he is only on a one season contract and now part of the furniture here.
I think far more likely he will become part of the backroom coaching staff next season.

I'd like to see him on board but at present there's no room for him and even more importantly I think he can still do a good job at league level - and I think he may think that too. Saving a large portion of his wages in January could be a striker....

I would say Darren Pratley probably has one eye on doing a coaching job now anyway .

Agree.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:24 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:16 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:47 pm The axis of Ball - Clare and Galbraith impressed.

Kelman should have scored and whomever never scored on 20 won't sleep tonight.

Having held us at 0-0 they were unlucky not to win, having been outplayed by us for most of the game.

Oh, and the people saying Hemmings should have caught that shot in the second half need reminding that keepers catch very little these days. That's why it was good to see Hemmings made 2 good claims in the last quarter.

''keepers catch very little these days''
Yes so true and wonder why that is ?

The ball is so much lighter these days - you just don't know what its going to do so you dare not even try to catch it.

Quote ''It is a myth that the modern ball is lighter than the balls used in the past.
Since 1937, the dry weight of the ball has been specified by Law 2: 14-16oz. Prior to that, the rules governing the ball’s dry weight specified something lighter – 13-15oz. This goes for the new ball used nowadays just as much as it did for the 1966 ball. Whenever you read a comment along the lines of “I’d like to see modern players heading the leather pudding the ’66 boys had to put up with” you can assume that they don’t know what they’re talking about. What has changed are (1) the material from which the ball is made, and thus the ability of the ball to avoid weight gain during the game through water absorption, and (2) the aerodynamics of the ball i.e. the smoothness of the surface. The new ball isn’t lighter in of itself – which is what people seem to be assuming: but the new ball won’t get so wet in play. So in the broad sunshine of the ’66 World Cup Final, the famous orange balls were the same weight as the ones we see today. And so it has been on every dry day, on every dry pitch, since the balls were first standardized in the early 1870s'' Also modern pitches are on average far better than the waterlogged muddy pitches of the 60s and 70s era which made the old dubbin balls muddy and water retaining, thus heavier. From new though the footballs were the same standard weight as they are now.

I don’t know where we’ll finish this season but on current form we won’t get relegated . Considering how much money other clubs have been throwing around I will be happy enough with just surviving in League One . Anything more would be a bonus.