Independent Leyton Orient Forum

SineadO Connor wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:10 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:01 am The first is the problem when you expect a lower league keeper to be able to play from the back like a top flight keeper. The second was not his fault, he was in a position to allow Currie to play it back to him, Currie made a complete mess of it leaving him stranded.

Don't, understand this. Unless the goalkeeping coach is Darren Anderton it's totally on Howes that the position he took up was an overlap on the right wing.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:19 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:51 pm More than 1 person can muck up.

Currie got caught out, obviously. But Howlers positioning is absolutely criminal at this level. What the f*** was he still doing all the way over on the right?

Watch it again, he isn't positioned way over on the right, he is right of centre on the D. It's a standard position for a keeper to take to allow the defender to play the ball back to him so it isn't directly at goal, but across it in case the pass is overhit.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:07 am Howlers hadn’t moved after taking the free kick, that’s all there is to it. He’d switched off.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:52 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Other than the footage of him sprinting across at full pelt from the right to the left, you're completely right.

Currie was clearly robbed, no one is denying that. But Howlers should have been somewhere in the vicinity of his goal in this situation rather than having a chat with our subs warming up on the touchline.

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:42 am The angle of his run in the second suggests that he has completely switched off and either dawdled back or lost his sense of position completely and belatedly realised that he’s on the right side. After taking that kick, if he was playing high up the pitch as a starting position he should have moved a couple of yards left by the time of the break, and if his position was a bit more conservative (say five-ten yards outside penalty area) he had plenty of time to get himself there.
There’s no way a keeper finds himself sprinting into position from where he is, if he’s paying attention.

Wouldn’t blame a keeper for getting caught out by a sixty yarder if his positioning outside the box is deliberate for how the team sets up, but this isn’t that

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:06 am

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:42 am The angle of his run in the second suggests that he has completely switched off and either dawdled back or lost his sense of position completely and belatedly realised that he’s on the right side. After taking that kick, if he was playing high up the pitch as a starting position he should have moved a couple of yards left by the time of the break, and if his position was a bit more conservative (say five-ten yards outside penalty area) he had plenty of time to get himself there.
There’s no way a keeper finds himself sprinting into position from where he is, if he’s paying attention.

Wouldn’t blame a keeper for getting caught out by a sixty yarder if his positioning outside the box is deliberate for how the team sets up, but this isn’t that

Blimey… you actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to football. You should engage in the football threads more often!

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:57 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:52 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:49 am No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Other than the footage of him sprinting across at full pelt from the right to the left, you're completely right.

Currie was clearly robbed, no one is denying that. But Howlers should have been somewhere in the vicinity of his goal in this situation rather than having a chat with our subs warming up on the touchline.

He's running back towards goal, understandably.

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 amhe must have drifted further right than Dunners

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:57 am Fair play, the whip he gets on that ball.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:18 am Close down the man with the ball? Eh?

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 am Used a Google map view of the pitch to make sure the distances are right, but I think the placement is more or less accurate, and shows Howes’ position at the time he kicks the ball, and when he re-enters the frame.
It’s worse than I thought, because at the speed he’s running when he comes back in, he must have drifted further right than Dunners and then frantically tries to get back.
If it was a view of a park game, I’d assume that after kicking, the keeper either wandered right to get a great view of the attack on the opposite flank, or that he sort of jogged backwards without checking his position, then panicked.

What he definitely didn’t do is anything sensible

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 am Used a Google map view of the pitch to make sure the distances are right, but I think the placement is more or less accurate, and shows Howes’ position at the time he kicks the ball, and when he re-enters the frame.
It’s worse than I thought, because at the speed he’s running when he comes back in, he must have drifted further right than Dunners and then frantically tries to get back.
If it was a view of a park game, I’d assume that after kicking, the keeper either wandered right to get a great view of the attack on the opposite flank, or that he sort of jogged backwards without checking his position, then panicked.

What he definitely didn’t do is anything sensible