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Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:26 am
by Monkey Boy
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
Wellens is sometimes too stubborn for his own good, plus he always looks angry on the touchline with his players and officials. A bit of praise wouldn’t go a miss or a change of formation to suit the players at his disposal
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:27 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
So if we won the league but he got a couple of red cards you wouldn’t give him credit?
Really strange where people find their irrational grudges
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:36 am
by Chief crazy horse
Really strange too how you manipulate and twist the discussion to suit your argument.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:43 am
by BiggsyMalone
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:06 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:44 pm
How many Orient managers have you seen win the league? Have some respect.
Winning the league has nothing to do with my response, which I think you know. The 'nonsense' reply was to your: " the team thought the game was won before they turned up"
And I think I'm well within the realms of critical reality when Wellens is described as great!
And lastly when you talk about having respect, do you also mean the respect Wellens shows to match officials at nearly every game?
Wellens said as much in the interview when he said how well they did last week and how they let it slip. They went toe to toe with Birningham and thought they’ll roll Shrewsbury over at a canter.
You’re trying to be clever with your second point but it makes no sense.
What does Wellens questioning sh*t decisions have to do with the absolute meltdown you’re having about the 4th league game of the season and the complete overreaction and lack of respect to the man who brought you one of the best footballing days of your life when Orient won the league when they had no business doing so.
You don’t deserve this football club.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:48 am
by BiggsyMalone
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
When people call him a great manager, its in context of this level. No one is claiming him to be at Sir Alex, Achelotti or Guardiola’s level.
He isn’t beyond criticism but he got Orient promoted as football league champions. How many Orient manager have done that? He deserves a lot more slack than some Orient fans are currently giving him.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:10 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
CCH is trying to prove some weird point. Everyone loves him so I’m going to find something to hate him for and because there’s little to dislike footballing wise he’s dying on this strange discipline hill. Not going to engage in it any more. Clearly an old crank stuck in his ways, bless
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:05 pm
by gshaw
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:48 am
He isn’t beyond criticism but he got Orient promoted as football league champions. How many Orient manager have done that? He deserves a lot more slack than some Orient fans are currently giving him.
Not only that, he dragged the club out of a L2 relegation battle when we looked all but set for a return to the hellish depths of NL
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:29 pm
by Hoover Attack
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
He is a great manager at this level. He’s shown that with us the past 2 and a bit years.
That’s not up for debate. That’s fact. Your contrary ‘opinion’ is nonsense. (And seems to stem entirely from his disciplinary record).
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:32 pm
by Hoover Attack
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:48 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
When people call him a great manager, its in context of this level. No one is claiming him to be at Sir Alex, Achelotti or Guardiola’s level.
He isn’t beyond criticism but he got Orient promoted as football league champions. How many Orient manager have done that? He deserves a lot more slack than some Orient fans are currently giving him.
The exact same thing happened last season. We have a contingent of fans that are donuts, this will always happen unless we’re winning week in week out, at the top of the table.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:56 pm
by Reflecto
My take on the first three games was that we were competitice but no more than that. Goalkeeping errors aside we didn't make many chances. RW persuaded all of us, especially the players that they were good perfomances, they weren't. Players drank the kool aid and expected to beat the Shrews. RW, we are a weakened team, with restricted budget. Set the team up as underdogs scrapping for points. I'd also stop the high possession game, by the time the ball is in the final third, all of the oppo's defence are back in place. We forget that most of our 12 seasons in L1 last time were relegation threatened. T&T need to decide their next move, a financially restricted L1/L2 club but in their control vs bringing in investors to give our a chance and dilute or lose control. We are all scarred by our previous regime but surely things are unlikely to go that wrong again?
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:57 pm
by Reflecto
My take on the first three games was that we were competitive but no more than that. Goalkeeping errors aside we didn't make many chances. RW persuaded all of us, especially the players that they were good perfomances, they weren't. Players drank the kool aid and expected to beat the Shrews. RW, we are a weakened team, with restricted budget. Set the team up as underdogs scrapping for points. I'd also stop the high possession game, by the time the ball is in the final third, all of the oppo's defence are back in place. We forget that most of our 12 seasons in L1 last time were relegation threatened. T&T need to decide their next move, a financially restricted L1/L2 club but in their control vs bringing in investors to give us a chance and dilute or lose control. We are all scarred by our previous regime but surely things are unlikely to go that wrong again?
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:59 pm
by Chief crazy horse
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:43 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:06 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:44 pm
How many Orient managers have you seen win the league? Have some respect.
Winning the league has nothing to do with my response, which I think you know. The 'nonsense' reply was to your: " the team thought the game was won before they turned up"
And I think I'm well within the realms of critical reality when Wellens is described as great!
And lastly when you talk about having respect, do you also mean the respect Wellens shows to match officials at nearly every game?
Wellens said as much in the interview when he said how well they did last week and how they let it slip. They went toe to toe with Birningham and thought they’ll roll Shrewsbury over at a canter.
You’re trying to be clever with your second point but it makes no sense.
What does Wellens questioning sh*t decisions have to do with the absolute meltdown you’re having about the 4th league game of the season and the complete overreaction and lack of respect to the man who brought you one of the best footballing days of your life when Orient won the league when they had no business doing so.
You don’t deserve this football club.
I'm quite aware of the context in which great is used. And in no way would I say Wellens is 'great' even at our level. In fact i find that laughable. Average to good, yes. Now your point about his disciplinary record is of course purely from a bias point of view. In other words Wellens's sh*t disciplinary record is all down to sh*t referee decisions! And there's no meltdown on my part because we're losing matches. Most of last seasons games were a bore to watch. And your opening line was quite worrying too when you say that "they" thought they would roll over Shrewsbury at a canter. Where on earth did that come from ? That's got to be one of the biggest no no's in football. At the end of the day it's just my opinion and because I don't fall into line with all your adulation and extreme over the top praises of our manager you can't take it. Wellens for me is an ok manager for this division - and certainly not great.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:07 pm
by Sid Bishop
Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:26 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
Wellens is sometimes too stubborn for his own good, plus he always looks angry on the touchline with his players and officials. A bit of praise wouldn’t go a miss or a change of formation to suit the players at his disposal
All good points that you made.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:18 pm
by essexfootball
I think people need a reality check with Wellens there is a reason he is at Leyton Orient, good manager yeah fine but if he was that good he wouldn't be here right now, he needs to provide himself in League One as much as we do really
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:42 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:32 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:48 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
When people call him a great manager, its in context of this level. No one is claiming him to be at Sir Alex, Achelotti or Guardiola’s level.
He isn’t beyond criticism but he got Orient promoted as football league champions. How many Orient manager have done that? He deserves a lot more slack than some Orient fans are currently giving him.
The exact same thing happened last season. We have a contingent of fans that are donuts, this will always happen unless we’re winning week in week out, at the top of the table.
Can we make a clown list so it’s an easy reference point when we lose 2 games in a row?
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:49 pm
by Long slender neck
No problem with our possession game, but we should stop that in the final third- get a shot away or create a chance.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:33 pm
by y o y o y
Stating the obvious, winning games is the most important thing to improve moral, gain confidence and relax the team. When results are good the game is so much easier. But how do you get back to your best level?
Are we missing Matt Harrold?
He was the link between the squad and the staff. Has the dressing room lost some of the humour that Matt provided. Are the players less relaxed without him?
Also Richie mentioned a few times that Matt would put his point of view on how the team was set up in an attacking sense and the tactics being used. He would challenge Richie, something Wellens said he enjoyed, may be that's no longer happening since Harrold left.
Has it got all work and no play? The work place should be a balance between having fun being relaxed and doing the serious stuff you're paid to do.
Too many ? I know
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:02 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:59 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:43 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:06 am
Winning the league has nothing to do with my response, which I think you know. The 'nonsense' reply was to your: " the team thought the game was won before they turned up"
And I think I'm well within the realms of critical reality when Wellens is described as great!
And lastly when you talk about having respect, do you also mean the respect Wellens shows to match officials at nearly every game?
Wellens said as much in the interview when he said how well they did last week and how they let it slip. They went toe to toe with Birningham and thought they’ll roll Shrewsbury over at a canter.
You’re trying to be clever with your second point but it makes no sense.
What does Wellens questioning sh*t decisions have to do with the absolute meltdown you’re having about the 4th league game of the season and the complete overreaction and lack of respect to the man who brought you one of the best footballing days of your life when Orient won the league when they had no business doing so.
You don’t deserve this football club.
I'm quite aware of the context in which great is used. And in no way would I say Wellens is 'great' even at our level. In fact i find that laughable. Average to good, yes. Now your point about his disciplinary record is of course purely from a bias point of view. In other words Wellens's sh*t disciplinary record is all down to sh*t referee decisions! And there's no meltdown on my part because we're losing matches. Most of last seasons games were a bore to watch. And your opening line was quite worrying too when you say that "they" thought they would roll over Shrewsbury at a canter. Where on earth did that come from ? That's got to be one of the biggest no no's in football. At the end of the day it's just my opinion and because I don't fall into line with all your adulation and extreme over the top praises of our manager you can't take it. Wellens for me is an ok manager for this division - and certainly not great.
Name 2 ‘great’ managers at this level.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:12 pm
by Hoover Attack
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:59 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:43 am
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:06 am
Winning the league has nothing to do with my response, which I think you know. The 'nonsense' reply was to your: " the team thought the game was won before they turned up"
And I think I'm well within the realms of critical reality when Wellens is described as great!
And lastly when you talk about having respect, do you also mean the respect Wellens shows to match officials at nearly every game?
Wellens said as much in the interview when he said how well they did last week and how they let it slip. They went toe to toe with Birningham and thought they’ll roll Shrewsbury over at a canter.
You’re trying to be clever with your second point but it makes no sense.
What does Wellens questioning sh*t decisions have to do with the absolute meltdown you’re having about the 4th league game of the season and the complete overreaction and lack of respect to the man who brought you one of the best footballing days of your life when Orient won the league when they had no business doing so.
You don’t deserve this football club.
I'm quite aware of the context in which great is used. And in no way would I say Wellens is 'great' even at our level. In fact i find that laughable. Average to good, yes. Now your point about his disciplinary record is of course purely from a bias point of view. In other words Wellens's sh*t disciplinary record is all down to sh*t referee decisions! And there's no meltdown on my part because we're losing matches. Most of last seasons games were a bore to watch. And your opening line was quite worrying too when you say that "they" thought they would roll over Shrewsbury at a canter. Where on earth did that come from ? That's got to be one of the biggest no no's in football. At the end of the day it's just my opinion and because I don't fall into line with all your adulation and extreme over the top praises of our manager you can't take it. Wellens for me is an ok manager for this division - and certainly not great.
Average to good
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:14 pm
by Hoover Attack
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:49 pm
No problem with our possession game, but we should stop that in the final third- get a shot away or create a chance.
I didn’t see yesterday but the stats imply we had all the possession.
This is the first league game that’s happened this season. In other games, we hadn’t played the possession game as we have previously seen us adopt.
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:14 pm
by Lifelongfan
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:02 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:59 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:43 am
Wellens said as much in the interview when he said how well they did last week and how they let it slip. They went toe to toe with Birningham and thought they’ll roll Shrewsbury over at a canter.
You’re trying to be clever with your second point but it makes no sense.
What does Wellens questioning sh*t decisions have to do with the absolute meltdown you’re having about the 4th league game of the season and the complete overreaction and lack of respect to the man who brought you one of the best footballing days of your life when Orient won the league when they had no business doing so.
You don’t deserve this football club.
I'm quite aware of the context in which great is used. And in no way would I say Wellens is 'great' even at our level. In fact i find that laughable. Average to good, yes. Now your point about his disciplinary record is of course purely from a bias point of view. In other words Wellens's sh*t disciplinary record is all down to sh*t referee decisions! And there's no meltdown on my part because we're losing matches. Most of last seasons games were a bore to watch. And your opening line was quite worrying too when you say that "they" thought they would roll over Shrewsbury at a canter. Where on earth did that come from ? That's got to be one of the biggest no no's in football. At the end of the day it's just my opinion and because I don't fall into line with all your adulation and extreme over the top praises of our manager you can't take it. Wellens for me is an ok manager for this division - and certainly not great.
Name 2 ‘great’ managers at this level.
Steve Evans
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:20 pm
by LittleMate
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:03 am
When Wellens is continually given God like status with most boarders on here and is described as great then I will continue to relay my unpopular opinion to the contrary.
I'm not criticising the man for criticising sake and if he were to act more in a civilised manner with match officials and team performances would improve, then I will be one of the first to give him credit. But I'm not holding my breath..
If only we could have any of the half dozen managers before him, eh?
So you don't give him any credit. Not for turning a 1 win in 15 side into a 7/12 side; not for winning the league then giving us a good run at the play offs. 4 games in you'd bin him? Think about what you posted and if you still think that way after having thought about it then say so again.......
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:22 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:14 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:02 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:59 pm
I'm quite aware of the context in which great is used. And in no way would I say Wellens is 'great' even at our level. In fact i find that laughable. Average to good, yes. Now your point about his disciplinary record is of course purely from a bias point of view. In other words Wellens's sh*t disciplinary record is all down to sh*t referee decisions! And there's no meltdown on my part because we're losing matches. Most of last seasons games were a bore to watch. And your opening line was quite worrying too when you say that "they" thought they would roll over Shrewsbury at a canter. Where on earth did that come from ? That's got to be one of the biggest no no's in football. At the end of the day it's just my opinion and because I don't fall into line with all your adulation and extreme over the top praises of our manager you can't take it. Wellens for me is an ok manager for this division - and certainly not great.
Name 2 ‘great’ managers at this level.
Steve Evans
Remind me how many football league titles he’s won
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:26 pm
by Lifelongfan
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:22 pm
Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:14 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:02 pm
Name 2 ‘great’ managers at this level.
Steve Evans
Remind me how many football league titles he’s won
Promoted a few times ie Rotherham, Stevenage, Boston, Crawley. Not a fan btw
Re: Wellens interview
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:07 pm
by BiggsyMalone
Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:26 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:22 pm
Remind me how many football league titles he’s won
Promoted a few times ie Rotherham, Stevenage, Boston, Crawley. Not a fan btw
Once in the last 10 years. Boston and Crawley were conference.
