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Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:22 am Certainly not a "sh-t' manager, but not adventurous enough and lacked a bit of bottle, especially in the case of Kane who everyone could quite clearly see was just not up to it at the Euros.

100% agree with all that especially about Kane who played something akin to ''walking football'' in the final never putting the Spanish defenders under pressure leaving them free to stroll around to pass to their midfield players etc. So different to the Spanish forwards who were always bustling around closing our defenders down when England had possession of the ball. Kane was often nowhere to be seen on the few occasions that England got a decent ball into the penalty box.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:05 pm Anyone but Pochettino, another non winner and Kane fan who also played him in a final when obviously unfit.

And dropped the match winner from the Spurs semi final win so that unfit Harry could play in the final !!

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:21 am His record in four tournaments has surpassed any previous manager, except for Sir Alf’s World Cup win in ’66, and that speaks for itself.

I like him as a person, he brought respect to the role.

Felt he was often too reactive and not proactive enough, no more so than in the recent Euros, when we were fortunate not to exit in the round of 16, but we reached the final and can’t argue with that or his overall record. Thanks Gareth and good luck.

I agree . He was a decent manager with a decent record .However I hope the next England manager is more adventurous with our style of play .

Tuchel would be interesting but with high potential to go horribly wrong and get quite poisonous quite quickly.

Carsley would cause a lot of collective tops to blow as he's an FA man, even if appointing him would be doing exactly what Spain just did and rewarding success within the set up.

Howe probably most logical appointment based on record and nationality, but might be difficult to prise him Newcastle.

Potter would be the most meh appointment. Plays interesting football, Chelsea failure not really on him, but people would moan about lack of trophies.

Pretty confident in predicting that short of Pep coming in, people are going to whine.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:13 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:05 pm Anyone but Pochettino, another non winner and Kane fan who also played him in a final when obviously unfit.

And dropped the match winner from the Spurs semi final win so that unfit Harry could play in the final !!

Exactly, Moura must have been so gutted after that hat trick.
Won bugger all at Southampton, Spurs, PSG and Chelsea, no thanks

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:05 pm Anyone but Pochettino, another non winner and Kane fan who also played him in a final when obviously unfit.

Fully agree, the trouble with this country is we don’t like a winner just happy to participate in sport,tell that to the Germans,Australians,Brazilian's,USA. We need winners bit of the Dunkirk Chirchill Ramsey spirit. Alf said back in 66 England will win the World Cup and we did and not just get through the group stage.

If we only want to appointment someone who has won something at the highest level previously, that excludes every single working English manager you could think of. Carsley has at least won the under 21 euros, so it'd sort of make sense.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:05 pm If we only want to appointment someone who has won something at the highest level previously, that excludes every single working English manager you could think of. Carsley has at least won the under 21 euros, so it'd sort of make sense.

It does and it doesn’t imo yes he’s won an under 21 comp but do we want another Southgate clone FA yes man, not for me.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:42 pm Carsley would cause a lot of collective tops to blow as he's an FA man, even if appointing him would be doing exactly what Spain just did and rewarding success within the set up.

Immediate.

What does a yes man actually mean? Do people think the fa board are in the shadows actually deciding team selection?

Did a better job than many others in recent times though didn't have quite enough to deliver the silverware when it mattered.

Reckon he would've been leaving either way, just not on the high he would've hoped for.

Go get Pep or Klopp
Or go for Carsley as interim until Pep or Klopp are ready to take the job.

We do not want Howe, Dyche or Harry Potter, and certainly don’t want Spurs and Kane lover Poch.
Seriously what is the fascination about Poch, serial runner up, and doesnt win anything.

Gary Lineker reckons the new manager should be Frank Lampard .

At least Ben white can come back into the team now

J1MB0B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:02 pm At least Ben white can come back into the team now

Yes, that’s a great point, now Holland will follow Southgate out the door, Ben White can cement his place as RB for England and Kyle Walker can retire.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:05 pm If we only want to appointment someone who has won something at the highest level previously, that excludes every single working English manager you could think of. Carsley has at least won the under 21 euros, so it'd sort of make sense.

More than Southgate did when he was U21 manager.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:49 am Prediction - 10 years from now, Southgate will be revered in the same way as Robson and Venables are.

All failures, but personally I will remember Robson and Venables more fondly, at least they didn't sit back and wait to get beat.

I just want someone who can pick a 'team' out on the pitch who can play attractive football together. We had nothing to be proud of under Southgate in the recent Euros. In fact, it was embarrassing. Our inform players hardly got a touch.

DuvB wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:35 pm I just want someone who can pick a 'team' out on the pitch who can play attractive football together. We had nothing to be proud of under Southgate in the recent Euros. In fact, it was embarrassing. Our inform players hardly got a touch.

Totally agree.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:49 am Prediction - 10 years from now, Southgate will be revered in the same way as Robson and Venables are.

All failures, but personally I will remember Robson and Venables more fondly, at least they didn't sit back and win more games.

Corrected that for you

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:56 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:23 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:49 am Prediction - 10 years from now, Southgate will be revered in the same way as Robson and Venables are.

All failures, but personally I will remember Robson and Venables more fondly, at least they didn't sit back and win more games.

Corrected that for you

I don't disagree, Southgate won loads of games against weak opposition. Even beat some good teams occasionally, except when it really mattered.

DuvB wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:35 pm I just want someone who can pick a 'team' out on the pitch who can play attractive football together. We had nothing to be proud of under Southgate in the recent Euros. In fact, it was embarrassing. Our inform players hardly got a touch.

Imagine being embarrassed by a team that reached a final

I never thought we'd win anything with the Gonk leading us. Even getting to this final did nish to change my mind. It don't hurt or make me angry like it used to but it does fcking annoy me the useless dildo faced cretin was given another chance to cement his place as a complete and utter failure.

Fck all the nonsense about him getting us to finals so therefore is the best we've had for some time. He was a loser and failure as a player, a club manager and at international level. Two finals. One on home turf with a goal lead and his bumhole went cause he was incapable. That should have been the end of the c0ck nosed melt.

If Southgate is an embarrassing loser and yet our second most successful manager ever, has it occured to people that the country, may in fact, be the problem? Our entire footballing history suggests we are losers. Not saying Southgate's failings don't deserve criticism but the idea we're entitled to win anything goes against all the evidence that we in fact are historically average at football.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:11 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:22 am Certainly not a "sh-t' manager, but not adventurous enough and lacked a bit of bottle, especially in the case of Kane who everyone could quite clearly see was just not up to it at the Euros.

100% agree with all that especially about Kane who played something akin to ''walking football'' in the final never putting the Spanish defenders under pressure leaving them free to stroll around to pass to their midfield players etc. So different to the Spanish forwards who were always bustling around closing our defenders down when England had possession of the ball. Kane was often nowhere to be seen on the few occasions that England got a decent ball into the penalty box.

Well that's right Sid, but as you know as a main striker you sometimes make your own chances in the box with anticipation and running into spaces. Most of the time though your efforts are wasted and that's where stamina and the legs come into it. I think there were enough balls in the box for Kane to latch on to but he's now running out of puff to exploit those spaces.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:29 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:11 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:22 am Certainly not a "sh-t' manager, but not adventurous enough and lacked a bit of bottle, especially in the case of Kane who everyone could quite clearly see was just not up to it at the Euros.

100% agree with all that especially about Kane who played something akin to ''walking football'' in the final never putting the Spanish defenders under pressure leaving them free to stroll around to pass to their midfield players etc. So different to the Spanish forwards who were always bustling around closing our defenders down when England had possession of the ball. Kane was often nowhere to be seen on the few occasions that England got a decent ball into the penalty box.

Well that's right Sid, but as you know as a main striker you sometimes make your own chances in the box with anticipation and running into spaces. Most of the time though your efforts are wasted and that's where stamina and the legs come into it. I think there were enough balls in the box for Kane to latch on to but he's now running out of puff to exploit those spaces.

In the modern game, forwards are the first line of the defence and as to the few times in open play when the ball went into the box, Kane was nowhere where a centre forward should be, if lucky on the edge of the box, time to put him out to graze or the subs bench for the last minutes of the game. Shameful how Ivan Toney was treated, twice being put on with a couple of minutes left to play.