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Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:47 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:21 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:11 pm

I don't think it's a waste having a second player who can hold the ball up with physical presence up top. As we saw last season we've got no-one else who can do that job and you can't expect Agyei to take that battering for 90 mins every match.

Exactly this. We need someone else who can also do that lone striker role. As things stand, take Agyei out and we are totally ineffective up top.

Where do you see Kelman playing then if not in the central striker role ??

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:23 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:52 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:18 pm

What do you think he did when he played in December time that Ruel failed at? Getting the ball and making it stick. He did both holding it up and can get in behind, that's why he's so vital

Youve got it bad Watch his goals reel, Hold up player

He can do other things too but he absolutely holds the ball up and is the only one we have who can compete physically with your average L1 centre half.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:12 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:52 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:18 pm

What do you think he did when he played in December time that Ruel failed at? Getting the ball and making it stick. He did both holding it up and can get in behind, that's why he's so vital

Youve got it bad Watch his goals reel, Hold up player

Not talking about his goals, it's the other parts of his game that takes the pressure off the rest of the team. The reason why we looked toothless with Sotiriou in that role and soon as Agyei came in we actually had a clue as an attacking unit. You won't see it on a highlight reel but the difference in results when he came in spoke for themselves.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:18 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:55 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:11 pm

I don't think it's a waste having a second player who can hold the ball up with physical presence up top. As we saw last season we've got no-one else who can do that job and you can't expect Agyei to take that battering for 90 mins every match.

You think Agyei is a hold up man? Fuckin hell

What do you think he did when he played in December time that Ruel failed at? Getting the ball and making it stick. He did both holding it up and can get in behind, that's why he's so vital

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:59 am You are the only one calling him a ‘hold up man’.

Gshaw said he can hold the ball and provide a physical presence up top. He’s right. For some reason you’ve honed in on his choice of words - holding the ball - and interpreted that as him saying Agyei is a hold up player.

I’ll rephrase that for him. Agyei is the only forward player we have with enough physical presence to keep the ball up that end of the pitch. Piggot should be able to but can’t run and hopefully won’t play for us again. Drinnan could but was always injured and was lacking in other departments. All of Ruel, Kelman, Forde, Edwards etc are/were too weak to physically compete with L1 centre halves.

We need someone else with a similar physical presence up top, our whole game plan collapses without that.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 am I Never said they would & we wouldnt either with a fully fit squad. Still we can always remember January when Agyei was so good.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:52 am

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 am I Never said they would & we wouldnt either with a fully fit squad. Still we can always remember January when Agyei was so good.

One month does not make for a full season.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:51 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:12 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:52 pm

Youve got it bad Watch his goals reel, Hold up player

Not talking about his goals, it's the other parts of his game that takes the pressure off the rest of the team. The reason why we looked toothless with Sotiriou in that role and soon as Agyei came in we actually had a clue as an attacking unit. You won't see it on a highlight reel but the difference in results when he came in spoke for themselves.

Rubbish, Agyei isnt a hold up man, you dont get the injuries he did being a hold up player. That comes from his running in a Wellens side. Agyei games after 1st injury, 1-1 Wigan, 1-1 Bristol R, 1-0 Chestrfield, 0-3 Derby, 2-1 Cheltenham(0-0) when he left the pitch,3-2 Bolton (came on at 3-2), 1-0 Charlton assist for Beckles0-0 wycombe replaced injured Ruel, 0-2 Cambridge scored 2nd,Portsmouth scored 3rd, Bolton 1-0 , Reading 1-1 scored.His contribution roughly helped us to 16 points, while Ruel played his role in over 60 points. Hold up man

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:05 am When you think about who we’ve replaced Ruel with we’ve gone backwards

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 am I Never said they would & we wouldnt either with a fully fit squad. Still we can always remember January when Agyei was so good.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:46 am

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 am I Never said they would & we wouldnt either with a fully fit squad. Still we can always remember January when Agyei was so good.

You sarcastically wrote ‘Ruel too weak yet scored goals’ etc. I like Ruel and if the money had been right would have liked him to stay. But he doesn’t have the physical presence to play up top on his own.

You then sarcastically write about Agyeis injury problems. This only backs up gshaws position - the reason Agyei broke down again was because he was over used on his return. And that was because we didn’t have another option up top to play that lone striker role adequately.

We need another player up top that could lead the line on their own in place of Agyei. And as a minimum they need to be physically strong enough to compete with L1 centre halves and keep possession (ie hold onto the ball!).

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:02 am We could do with another striker who plays like Agyei. If we build a system around him and he gets injured in the first month of ten season then we’re f**ked again. We don’t have a big enough squad to change our system if Agyei gets crocked and right now our only alternative striker is Kelman, who is largely dogshit.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:05 am Exactly.

Also worth remembering that Agyei was originally brought here as a wide player.

Qin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:17 am When Travis & Teague came here, we were a non league club.

Wages were low, most players were on £1000 to £1500 per week, now we're league 1, & players are expecting around six times that, and the two T's, just can't or won't pay that.

I think the reality is being in the 3rd tier, has shocked them from a financial point of view.

It appears a decent striker in this league commands North of 6 grand a week, and unless the club pays it,\will not be able to sign a decent striker

When Agyei's contact runs out, his agent will demand that kind of money, and we'll lose him to a club that will pay him that

League 2 is probably the level our owners will be comfortable in

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:46 am I feel the board and Ling have given us a lot of kidolidgy. It was all to do with selling Season Tickets. They put out the about exciting incoming transfers. RW was the subject to other clubs getting him, just before the ST deadline then lo and behold, he signed a new contract within 24 hours just a few days before the deadline. Funny how the club can move fast when it wants to? If you call 2 very poor loans and a knackered ex long term injury player exciting signings? Personally if I knew then what I know now I wouldn’t have renewed. Which ever way you look at this it’s been yet another poor transfer window this far,we have all been sold a puppy.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:46 am I feel the board and Ling have given us a lot of kidolidgy. It was all to do with selling Season Tickets. They put out the about exciting incoming transfers. RW was the subject to other clubs getting him, just before the ST deadline then lo and behold, he signed a new contract within 24 hours just a few days before the deadline. Funny how the club can move fast when it wants to? If you call 2 very poor loans and a knackered ex long term injury player exciting signings? Personally if I knew then what I know now I wouldn’t have renewed. Which ever way you look at this it’s been yet another poor transfer window this far,we have all been sold a puppy.