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LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:09 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.

Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid

It is disturbing the number of such situations we are able to recollect without too much effort - but I'm glad that we at least live in a country where wrongs can be publicly identified and brought to task. Out of the 200+ countries on this planet there are very few where this can occur.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.

Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:20 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:09 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am

Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid

It is disturbing the number of such situations we are able to recollect without too much effort - but I'm glad that we at least live in a country where wrongs can be publicly identified and brought to task. Out of the 200+ countries on this planet there are very few where this can occur.

Yes tend to agree Lmate only thing is big organisations tend to stick together

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:09 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.

Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid

It is disturbing the number of such situations we are able to recollect without too much effort - but I'm glad that we at least live in a country where wrongs can be publicly identified and brought to task. Out of the 200+ countries on this planet there are very few where this can occur.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:39 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:09 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am

Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid

It is disturbing the number of such situations we are able to recollect without too much effort - but I'm glad that we at least live in a country where wrongs can be publicly identified and brought to task. Out of the 200+ countries on this planet there are very few where this can occur.

Brought to task? It's taken 25 years to finally agree to dish out a bit of compo.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:05 pm Grenfell is a joke. I've been following this one closely and the list of companies and individuals that are possibly up for a range of criminal charges is long. And the offences are serious, such as corporate manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in a public office, serious fraud etc.

But, the enquiry's charging files will not go to prosecutors until 2026, who are not expected to make any decisions on prosecutions until the end of that year. And the trials may not start for another year after that. It could well end up being over a decade since the fire before any of those who are responsible end up inside a Court.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:08 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:05 pm Grenfell is a joke. I've been following this one closely and the list of companies and individuals that are possibly up for a range of criminal charges is long. And the offences are serious, such as corporate manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in a public office, serious fraud etc.

But, the enquiry's charging files will not go to prosecutors until 2026, who are not expected to make any decisions on prosecutions until the end of that year. And the trials may not start for another year after that. It could well end up being over a decade since the fire before any of those who are responsible end up inside a Court.

Are you on the hook for this one or not your jurisdiction?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:05 pm Grenfell is a joke. I've been following this one closely and the list of companies and individuals that are possibly up for a range of criminal charges is long. And the offences are serious, such as corporate manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in a public office, serious fraud etc.

But, the enquiry's charging files will not go to prosecutors until 2026, who are not expected to make any decisions on prosecutions until the end of that year. And the trials may not start for another year after that. It could well end up being over a decade since the fire before any of those who are responsible end up inside a Court.

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:29 pm Stowaway is bang on with his comments.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:03 pm I used to work for BT from 1979 which was then still part of the Post Office. Because of the Royal Charter and the fact that the Royal Mail is protected, they had their own internal police unit, the Investigation Bureau. They had proper legal powers, they were usually ex-Police and could be very intimidating. I fell foul of them once and it was only when my union rep turned up and basically told them to f**k off and come back with something credible that they backed off.

If you’ve read of heard any of the transcripts from the interviews the IB carried out with naive postmasters who weren’t even given legal assistance then frankly those IB f*****s should be up in court for collusion and intimidation. How they’re still allowed to do this now they’re essentially a private company is scandalous. The IB should be wound up immediately.

The problem was that they weren’t interested in finding out if Horizon had issues - they just wanted to get the “missing” money back. A key issue is that due to a Fujitsu whistleblower we know know that all the branch accounts could be accessed remotely, which the PO said wasn’t possible, so it’s entirely plausible that someone either in Fujitsu or the PO accessed individual branch accounts and stole the money. This one has a long way to run yet.

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 6:33 pm Just lock her up!

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 5:04 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:03 pm I used to work for BT from 1979 which was then still part of the Post Office. Because of the Royal Charter and the fact that the Royal Mail is protected, they had their own internal police unit, the Investigation Bureau. They had proper legal powers, they were usually ex-Police and could be very intimidating. I fell foul of them once and it was only when my union rep turned up and basically told them to f**k off and come back with something credible that they backed off.

If you’ve read of heard any of the transcripts from the interviews the IB carried out with naive postmasters who weren’t even given legal assistance then frankly those IB f*****s should be up in court for collusion and intimidation. How they’re still allowed to do this now they’re essentially a private company is scandalous. The IB should be wound up immediately.

The problem was that they weren’t interested in finding out if Horizon had issues - they just wanted to get the “missing” money back. A key issue is that due to a Fujitsu whistleblower we know know that all the branch accounts could be accessed remotely, which the PO said wasn’t possible, so it’s entirely plausible that someone either in Fujitsu or the PO accessed individual branch accounts and stole the money. This one has a long way to run yet.

Interestingly the errors weren't always cash shortfalls. There were instances where postmasters were credited back the shortfalls to their account.

For every debit there is a credit so there must be some sort of suspense account Fujitsu were able to access to make the credits. There must be an audit trail for these transactions. No doubt destroyed in the cover up.

Adz wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:39 am There would have been software developers that wrote this crap that would have known it was sh*t and just sat on their hands. They are equally as culpable as anyone else.

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 6:44 pm

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 6:33 pm Just lock her up!

Need to find space for her, the jails are all full up apparently
Put her on a ‘small boat’ and send her to Calais………Or put her on the first flight to Rwanda

Story of O wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:43 pm I’m still amazed that anyone thought that 100’s of post masters were doing the same fraud at the same time.