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I don't understand what problem they're trying to solve, but this would certainly cause all sorts of new problems for referees and players alike. Ridiculous idea.

The rule that really needs looking at, and changing, is the ridiculous handball rule....that, and the rubbish standard of most refs in league 1 & 2

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:44 am They need to seriously rework the handball rules so that it's only penalising egregious examples, and indirect free kicks for more minor fouls in the box, would be positive changes imo.

Someone else (CEB?) flagged this recently. I'd never really considered it previously and it would be a major change but makes sense that not all fouls in the penalty box should be a penalty.

Refs already do this, not awarding a foul that they would elsewhere on the pitch.

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:36 am I don't understand what problem they're trying to solve, but this would certainly cause all sorts of new problems for referees and players alike. Ridiculous idea.

Not sure but presumably it's to solve the problems of dissent and cynical play. Just a guess.

It’s coming. Already being trialled in parks football. A mate is a ref and says it works well for reducing dissent and poor conduct as the player is letting their team mates down and they all have to work a lot harder for 10 mins.

Our Theo is in trouble if it is implemented.

I've seen it at lowish levels and I'd say it doesn't work.

Players are coming back onto the pitch feeling aggrieved - they're spending the 10 minutes winding themselves up rather than reflecting on their behaviour. Can you imagine how this would play out with thousands of fans on your case?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:56 am

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:36 am I don't understand what problem they're trying to solve, but this would certainly cause all sorts of new problems for referees and players alike. Ridiculous idea.

Not sure but presumably it's to solve the problems of dissent and cynical play. Just a guess.

Can you give the definitions for foul play and cynical foul play?

Foul play is laid out within the laws of the game, I'm sure you're aware of that.

'Cynical' foul play obviously refers to tactical fouls. I'm sure you understand what that means too.

Virtually all fouls in the professional game are quite deliberate. Surely that suggests a level of cynicism in all fouls. Is a kick on the ankle less deserving of punishment than a little tug of a shirt? Yellow cards are already given for so called tactical fouls and if it is hoped that players will stop committing them for fear of being blue carded, then I suggest that they don't understand footballers' mentality. We will have players running off and on the field like yoyos if this comes to pass

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:00 pm Virtually all fouls in the professional game are quite deliberate.

That's just not true.

Of course they are. They may not deliberately go in to a tackle with the intention of kicking someone on the shin, but by the careless and clumsy nature of the tackle, they know they ain't winning the ball

That's just not true.

Tell you what, I'll go on the Orient website later, pick the first full game that's available to view in full, then go through it foul by foul.

Must be an average of 15 to 25 fouls given most games. Some even more. Are most of them just genuine accidents? Don't think so, although I accept that they are not all necessarily malicious

I’d say yes, easily.

My count tonight will confirm

I suggest you watch Celtic v Atletico Madrid, April 1974.

Today's game highlights how stupid and pointless this hairbrained scheme would be; would've been watching 7 a side by the end

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:17 pm Today's game highlights how stupid and pointless this hairbrained scheme would be; would've been watching 7 a side by the end

agree, they would have needed to build an extension on the sin bin for last 10mins of our game.

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:18 pm Of course they are. They may not deliberately go in to a tackle with the intention of kicking someone on the shin, but by the careless and clumsy nature of the tackle, they know they ain't winning the ball

You come out with such a load of crap!

R Wellens could sit in Pizza Shed for a snack when he is sin binned perhaps.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:20 pm I've seen it at lowish levels and I'd say it doesn't work.

Players are coming back onto the pitch feeling aggrieved - they're spending the 10 minutes winding themselves up rather than reflecting on their behaviour. Can you imagine how this would play out with thousands of fans on your case?

This is a really good point. In my sevens team’s league I’d say that a blue card more often results in a player coming back on the pitch swearing at the ref and wound up for a fight.

Football could take a leaf from Rugby Unions law book when it comes to dissent. In RU if a player shows dissent to the referee they will see the free kick marched forward 10 yards and it works well, very little dissent in RU.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:55 pm I’d say yes, easily.

My count tonight will confirm

Update please.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:21 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:55 pm I’d say yes, easily.

My count tonight will confirm

Update please.

It was 89% accidental fouls and just 14% deliberate. Case closed.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:24 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:21 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:55 pm I’d say yes, easily.

My count tonight will confirm

Update please.

It was 89% accidental fouls and just 14% deliberate. Case closed.

Might want to look at those stats again that's 103%.

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:36 am I don't understand what problem they're trying to solve, but this would certainly cause all sorts of new problems for referees and players alike. Ridiculous idea.

Probably violence and aggression towards referees