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Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:35 pm
by Howling Mad Murdock
No but I'd get rid of my car...if I had one.Ever.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:42 pm
by EliotNes
No. Veganism is a western, developed country luxury. In many (some would say most) parts of the world people fight to get enough food on the table for their families.
And watch this about the production of fruit and vegetables to feed the vegans.
But I’m biased and I don’t mind saying it. I have Thai friends, some who are as close as family.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:43 pm
by EliotNes
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:35 pm
No but I'd get rid of my car...if I had one.Ever.
So would I.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:46 pm
by EliotNes
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:10 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:26 pm
Oh, and just to add, pedantically, whether of not one becomes vegan won't "save the planet". Becoming a vegan might save the planet's ability to support human life, I suppose, but either way the planet will still be here until it crashes into the Sun
I blame Dream team
There’s always one.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:57 pm
by tuffers#1
If vegan food was always tasty id definitely swap
However only about 40% of what i have eaten is.
This may just be diwn to the people cooking the food & what they like i dont.
Best food ive had at Orient was a vegan/veggie pastie
Was unreal , spicy & tasty as f*ck.
My sister is vegan ( & her expanding waistline) always has plenty of food to eat, likes lots of beans to be fair
Kidney butter etc , im not keen.
P.S
Veganism will not save the planet.
It may save the Human race but not the planet.
It will get rid of us well before we kill it.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:20 pm
by Proposition Joe
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:37 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:33 pm
Yes, and have already done so.
Each to their own but anyone who doesn't think that industrial scale animal farming is killing the planet and creating a terrible legacy for their grandkids/future generations is lying to themselves or is just a general science denier.
So soya palm oil sugar etc fine by you?
Not having any detrimental effect on the planet at all
Classic "well you're doing X but WHAT ABOUT Y, eh?" rubbish.
Anyway, a huge % of soya goes on feeding animals and aforementioned intensive animal agriculture so your point is moot.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:36 pm
by tuffers#1
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:37 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:33 pm
Yes, and have already done so.
Each to their own but anyone who doesn't think that industrial scale animal farming is killing the planet and creating a terrible legacy for their grandkids/future generations is lying to themselves or is just a general science denier.
So soya palm oil sugar etc fine by you?
Not having any detrimental effect on the planet at all
Classic "well you're doing X but WHAT ABOUT Y, eh?" rubbish.
Anyway, a huge % of soya goes on feeding animals and aforementioned intensive animal agriculture so your point is moot.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8531118837
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:51 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am
Would you stop wearing clothes to save the planet? As I hear the fashion industry is more damaging to the environment than aviation and shipping combined.
That is not a stupid point. After the oil industry clothing is the most polluting industry around. Filthy. Eat meat and go naked would certainly help the planets environment.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:06 pm
by tuffers#1
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:51 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am
Would you stop wearing clothes to save the planet? As I hear the fashion industry is more damaging to the environment than aviation and shipping combined.
That is not a stupid point. After the oil industry clothing is the most polluting industry around. Filthy. Eat meat and go naked would certainly help the planets environment.
Doh isnt wrong on the "rag trade"
So much man made fibres being worn by people
All those lovely poly football shirts that do so much damage.
Primark etc have some real decisions to make with ehat is being produced
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:19 pm
by Real Al
Want to do my bit for the environment, but I also like meat.
I'm transitioning to just eating vegans.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:50 pm
by Forty-Niner
Vaccines have been developed in New Zealand against certain gut microbes responsible for producing methane.
Selective breeding of cows and sheep and maze based silage instead of grass are other methods under investigation for reducing
methane gas emissions.
So one day it may be possible to have our steak and eat it with a clear conscience.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:59 pm
by Proposition Joe
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:36 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:37 pm
So soya palm oil sugar etc fine by you?
Not having any detrimental effect on the planet at all
Classic "well you're doing X but WHAT ABOUT Y, eh?" rubbish.
Anyway, a huge % of soya goes on feeding animals and aforementioned intensive animal agriculture so your point is moot.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8531118837
Link's blocked but here's another one:
https://www.onegreenplanet.org/environm ... restation/
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:07 pm
by Lucky7
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:37 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:33 pm
Yes, and have already done so.
Each to their own but anyone who doesn't think that industrial scale animal farming is killing the planet and creating a terrible legacy for their grandkids/future generations is lying to themselves or is just a general science denier.
So soya palm oil sugar etc fine by you?
Not having any detrimental effect on the planet at all
Classic "well you're doing X but WHAT ABOUT Y, eh?" rubbish.
Anyway, a huge % of soya goes on feeding animals and aforementioned intensive animal agriculture so your point is moot
Typical Vegan I’m better than You remarks papa joe
Disappointed
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:15 pm
by tuffers#1
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:38 pm
by Beradogs
Yes. Don’t eat certain meats anyway. Battery chickens as an example. Veal. Lamb. Still like it but would have no problem stopping completely.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:59 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
I havent eaten red meat since 1987. It was around the time of the first 'mad cow' scare.
i did a lot of research, and red meat is a definite carcinogen. I stopped completly, and have never even been tempted since.
I eat white meat ( chicken) & fish only since the day i gave up red meat, .....and lots of veg.
I could become a vegan if I had to, and I might soon have to, to do my bit to save this planet.
The planet will finally be destroyed by mankind's greed....pure & simple greed
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:22 pm
by StillSpike
Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:38 pm
Yes. Don’t eat certain meats anyway. Battery chickens as an example.
Veal. Lamb. Still like it but would have no problem stopping completely.
If you consume dairy (which I do), then sadly calves are an inevitable by-product of the dairy industry. I do make a point of eating British rose veal as it's welfare standard is much better than exporting the animals live to the continent (which is the alternative disposal method for all the surplus calves). Rose veal is delicious, and a meat that I'm very keen on.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:22 pm
by Stowaway
Becoming vegan is a western luxury, and largely unobtainable for most of the world. The other problem is that animal production is on a massive scale in places t like the US, Australia and parts of South America and so it won’t stop without a massive geopolitical shift.
I stopped eating meat several years ago due to health and ethical reasons, but having become even more cynical about just about everything more recently, I’ve started to eat some meat again. Basically the planet is f****d, humankind is f****d and frankly I don’t care enough anymore. I’m just too jaded.
Becoming vegetarian/vegan is, in theory, dead easy. Eating meat could be stopped within a generation. If meat production was stopped tomorrow then we’d soon have a generation who’d never eaten it, and the chain would be broken. It’s just that it would take a massive shift in culture and attitude. Even now, being veggie or vegan is still seen by many as being weak or leftie/hippy, as if there’s something manly about eating meat. It’s bulls**t of course, but there you go.
Personally, I think that humankind will reach crisis point within a generation. We have neither the willpower or the basic common sense to do anything about it, and so we are essentially doomed. I subscribe to the view that intelligent civilisations don’t last for more than two or three thousand years before greed, war, pestilence or sheer stupidity wiped them out. It’s why we’ve never seen any sign of intelligent life in our galaxy or beyond - no-one ever progresses to the stage where interstellar contact becomes viable before they die out.
I think the earth hates us and will be glad when we’re gone, and rightly so, because we are undoubtedly the most destructive force on the planet. When we’re gone, the earth will breath a sigh of relief and think “f**k it, I’m gonna do dinosaurs again. 100 million years of them and they were no hassle at all”.
So yeah, I’m a cynic.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:30 am
by point nine one eight
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:33 pm
Yes, and have already done so.
Each to their own but anyone who doesn't think that industrial scale animal farming is killing the planet and creating a terrible legacy for their grandkids/future generations is lying to themselves or is just a general science denier.
The self righteous always resort to abuse of anyone who doesn't agree with them
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:14 am
by Proposition Joe
That's abuse, is it? Alright (melting) snowflake.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:19 am
by VeganO
point nine one eight wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:30 am
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:33 pm
Yes, and have already done so.
Each to their own but anyone who doesn't think that industrial scale animal farming is killing the planet and creating a terrible legacy for their grandkids/future generations is lying to themselves or is just a general science denier.
The self righteous always resort to abuse of anyone who doesn't agree with them
I've decided to pitch in.
I have been vegan since 1983 & am for ethical/animal rights reasons. I am fundamentally opposed to killing animals for food & to the cruel dairy industry where animals have cycles of pregnancy & have calves removed from them. The more we learn about animals the more intelligent we realise they are & thus the crueler it is to exploit them for food.
Animal farming does huge damage to the environment as stated above, its not the only activity that does that of course but its a major factor.
I have been amused at how people are justifying their dietary habits by rubbishing veganism.
I challenge everyone to visit a slaughterhouse & dairy farms etc & find out how animals are treated by humans eager for profit. Also go onto Google & visit VIVA's site which has lots of information about how cruel animal farming is. People should at the very least know what they are supporting.
The meat & dairy industries are loathsome.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:25 am
by Long slender neck
Technology will find a way to solve all this climate stuff, so I wouldnt do it on environmental grounds.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... te-change/
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:09 pm
by Constanza
Never liked Star Trek.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:48 pm
by StockholmO
I had a vegan / animal rights girlfriend. She used to remind me every five minutes that I shouldn't eat meat.
Re: Would you become a Vegan to save the Planet?
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:14 am
by CreamofSumYungGai
Fully aware of what I need to do but it’s so much more bloody convenient to ignore the issue.
