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Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:11 am
by Adz
DCL's red card which the ref didn't give, then was told to go to the screen by the VAR and then changed to give has been rescinded. VAR should be replaced by automated decisions, the opinion stuff is completely flawed.

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:30 am
by Give it to Jabo
Give it to Jabo wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:46 pm Okay, I'll say it - if only we had VAR at the game......

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:46 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Watching the games at non prem grounds, I loved not having var.
The problem now is that the standard of reffing risks getting lower the more they rely on var. they know that if they mess up they have var to fall back on. I think they shy away from some big decisions for that reason. However, the way var works today means that the on field decision can affect the outcome.

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:49 am
by spen666
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:46 am Watching the games at non prem grounds, I loved not having var.
The problem now is that the standard of reffing risks getting lower the more they rely on var. they know that if they mess up they have var to fall back on. I think they shy away from some big decisions for that reason. However, the way var works today means that the on field decision can affect the outcome.
Do you mean an "off field" decision?

On field decisions have affected outcomes from when referees were first introduced

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:02 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
spen666 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:49 am
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:46 am Watching the games at non prem grounds, I loved not having var.
The problem now is that the standard of reffing risks getting lower the more they rely on var. they know that if they mess up they have var to fall back on. I think they shy away from some big decisions for that reason. However, the way var works today means that the on field decision can affect the outcome.
Do you mean an "off field" decision?

On field decisions have affected outcomes from when referees were first introduced
No, I mean on field decisions.

In the context of Var, as I stated, the rules around var dictate that a decision is changed if a clear and obvious error has been made by the on-field officials. Therefore, in some, but not all cases, a ref not giving a pen because they effectively bottle it and want var to check may lead to a different var outcome to if they did give it onfield

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:20 am
by Hoover Attack
Offsides are not treated to this 'clear and obvious' edict?

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:30 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Hoover Attack wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:20 am Offsides are not treated to this 'clear and obvious' edict?
Well, I guess they see it as an objective rule. You either are or aren’t offside. Pens aren’t as clear cut

Re: Fernandes Penalty - Wigan

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:33 am
by spen666
Hoover Attack wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:20 am Offsides are not treated to this 'clear and obvious' edict?
its clear and obvious that their definition of clear and obvious varies from cases to case and some ( not me) would say its clear and obvious that the use of the clear and obvious test is biased in favour of the big clubs

Is this clear and obvious