Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:35 pm

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:09 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:43 pm Refused to wear the rainbow armband, allegedly…he can go…

Should never have been put in that position, club at fault imo.

What position?

You don't know?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:23 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:15 pm We’re a bang average team at the moment but will descend to a p*ss poor one if we lose El Miz. Oh bollox.

I hope the Orient board are reading this messageboard . We need to keep El=Miz or we'll start going backwards again .

Why ?
Nobody has offered to donate funds to them to help get him.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:43 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:23 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:15 pm We’re a bang average team at the moment but will descend to a p*ss poor one if we lose El Miz. Oh bollox.

I hope the Orient board are reading this messageboard . We need to keep El=Miz or we'll start going backwards again .

Why ?
Nobody has offered to donate funds to them to help get him.

You really do post some incongruous comments on here tuffers,always negative to other people’s opinion.

How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

If he goes to a club like Bolton or Derby, I'd accept that he's moved onto bigger things, which is long term a positive thing for the club. You want to be seen as a good stepping stone for talented young players. It would be disappointing if ended up at Wycombe.

Need to remember that his return was a complete bonus for this season. Don't think anyone expected him to come back after last year.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

We must tolerate intolerance?

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:07 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:43 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:23 pm

I hope the Orient board are reading this messageboard . We need to keep El=Miz or we'll start going backwards again .

Why ?
Nobody has offered to donate funds to them to help get him.

You really do post some incongruous comments on here tuffers,always negative to other people’s opinion.

The name is Joe.
Do you really think board members aren't aware of what is going on at the football club they run & it's players ?

As for opinions ,
I'll discuss good ones & I'll always pull up stupid ones.
It's called freedom of speech & the right to having an opinion sunshine.

Keep your knickers on guys there’s alway a replacement, El Miz is a good player and would be missed however he’s been overplayed and has lost pace imo, this is his level. All the clubs that are supposedly after him are league one level. When one door shuts another opens and perhaps One of our plethora of midfield players could step up? Like I’ve already said if he were that good Ipswich wouldn’t consider letting him go.

Not like El Miz will be the 1st good player to leave

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

..."a million plus in a couple of years?" I don't think so.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:49 am Keep your knickers on guys there’s alway a replacement, El Miz is a good player and would be missed however he’s been overplayed and has lost pace imo, this is his level. All the clubs that are supposedly after him are league one level. When one door shuts another opens and perhaps One of our plethora of midfield players could step up? Like I’ve already said if he were that good Ipswich wouldn’t consider letting him go.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:55 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

..."a million plus in a couple of years?" I don't think so.

We got £300k for Hector.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:55 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:49 am Keep your knickers on guys there’s alway a replacement, El Miz is a good player and would be missed however he’s been overplayed and has lost pace imo, this is his level. All the clubs that are supposedly after him are league one level. When one door shuts another opens and perhaps One of our plethora of midfield players could step up? Like I’ve already said if he were that good Ipswich wouldn’t consider letting him go.

Yet again a p-as take without a constructive comment you have to be an alias. Still if it turns you on

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:49 am Keep your knickers on guys there’s alway a replacement, El Miz is a good player and would be missed however he’s been overplayed and has lost pace imo, this is his level. All the clubs that are supposedly after him are league one level. When one door shuts another opens and perhaps One of our plethora of midfield players could step up? Like I’ve already said if he were that good Ipswich wouldn’t consider letting him go.

There is, although it means the recruitment committee would have to find a good option quickly. The latter part isn't exactly their speciality...

As for the current options, none of them imo unless we can reverse Pratley's age by 10 years and he plays 90 mins every week until end of the season.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:23 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:55 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:49 am Keep your knickers on guys there’s alway a replacement, El Miz is a good player and would be missed however he’s been overplayed and has lost pace imo, this is his level. All the clubs that are supposedly after him are league one level. When one door shuts another opens and perhaps One of our plethora of midfield players could step up? Like I’ve already said if he were that good Ipswich wouldn’t consider letting him go.

Yet again a p-as take without a constructive comment you have to be an alias. Still if it turns you on

Yes, I’m the alias.

There’s so much nonsense in there, it’s impossible to know where to start

People are down on Moncur but he was an investment to get us up and he did, he was never going to have any real resale value at that age, last season started 35 games, came on in 8

El Miz is different he is an investment in aiming for the playoffs maybe in a year or two, he could easily double/treble in value, the smart money is on signing him if he wants to,

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:09 pm People are down on Moncur but he was an investment to get us up and he did, he was never going to have any real resale value at that age, last season started 35 games, came on in 8

El Miz is different he is an investment in aiming for the playoffs maybe in a year or two, he could easily double/treble in value, the smart money is on signing him if he wants to,

Moncur did enough to justify bringing him in but his (lack of) fitness to contribute this season is shocking.

If we were struggling to find budget to bring in 2-3 players we needed at the start of this window can't see where 250k+ comes from to retain one who's already here.

Question for you all then, would you rather

a) spend whatever budget we do have to retain El Miz but no new signings this window as a result
b) accept El Miz moving on, bring in 3 players in the window one of which is a CDM of unknown quality

Definitely option A . El- Miz is one of our most important players . There would be a big hole in our midfield if he left . . Midfielder you mentioned would probably be nowhere near as good as El- Miz

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:30 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:09 pm People are down on Moncur but he was an investment to get us up and he did, he was never going to have any real resale value at that age, last season started 35 games, came on in 8

El Miz is different he is an investment in aiming for the playoffs maybe in a year or two, he could easily double/treble in value, the smart money is on signing him if he wants to,

Moncur did enough to justify bringing him in but his (lack of) fitness to contribute this season is shocking.

If we were struggling to find budget to bring in 2-3 players we needed at the start of this window can't see where 250k+ comes from to retain one who's already here.

Question for you all then, would you rather

a) spend whatever budget we do have to retain El Miz but no new signings this window as a result
b) accept El Miz moving on, bring in 3 players in the window one of which is a CDM of unknown quality

Moncur was still not good value for money last season.

Smyth, El Miz, Vigaroux, Beckles and Prat’s were all far, far more important.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:37 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

We must tolerate intolerance?

All Muslims are homophobes?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:53 pm
Moncur was still not good value for money last season.

Smyth, El Miz, Vigaroux, Beckles and Prat’s were all far, far more important.

If you count those moments in terms of cost / contribution you could argue that for sure. Bit of an expensive delicacy compared to the constant output from the ones you mention.

However I'd say the ones he did make changed games and that Wimbledon goal in January was worth the fee alone. Remember thinking at the time how massive that game was and getting the win really got back on track for the run-in.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:25 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:37 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

We must tolerate intolerance?

All Muslims are homophobes?

No idea if all Muslims are homophobes, the few I know, regard homosexualaity as a bad thing. Maybe El Miz is the same

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:25 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:37 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:27 am How will we all feel, if next week, or the week after, El Miz has gone? I'll feel bloody terrible. Without him, we'll be such an average /poor team.
Allegedly, we paid £300,000 for Moncur, a player that struggles to last 30 mins on a football pitch. El Miz is young and fit, and in 2 years will be worth a million plus....makes good business sense
As for him allegedly refusing to wear a rainbow armband....as a Muslim , Homosexuality is a sin, and he would find it deeply offensive to wear it. We have to be tolerant of other faiths.
Im only interested in him as a footballer playing for us

We must tolerate intolerance?

All Muslims are homophobes?

Dont think so. I just dont see why society should give religion a free pass to be bigoted.

Personally, I'm not especially enthusiastic about this type of virtue signalling initiative.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:30 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:09 pm People are down on Moncur but he was an investment to get us up and he did, he was never going to have any real resale value at that age, last season started 35 games, came on in 8

El Miz is different he is an investment in aiming for the playoffs maybe in a year or two, he could easily double/treble in value, the smart money is on signing him if he wants to,

Moncur did enough to justify bringing him in but his (lack of) fitness to contribute this season is shocking.

If we were struggling to find budget to bring in 2-3 players we needed at the start of this window can't see where 250k+ comes from to retain one who's already here.

Question for you all then, would you rather

a) spend whatever budget we do have to retain El Miz but no new signings this window as a result
b) accept El Miz moving on, bring in 3 players in the window one of which is a CDM of unknown quality

I suspect that option A is what the club are planning, and it might explain Wellen’s sudden disinterest in signing players in his last interview.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the club got wind of bids for El Miz coming in and understood that it would mean that we have to spend whatever Jan budget we did have (or possibly even more) on signing him ourselves. That would mean no other players coming in.

Makes sense when you think about it and why Wellens has suddenly gone from saying that we need to bring in a few players to a strange “I’m not bothered” message. He knows that we either keep El Miz and get noone else or lose El Miz to get new players in.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:15 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:25 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:37 am

We must tolerate intolerance?

All Muslims are homophobes?

Dont think so. I just dont see why society should give religion a free pass to be bigoted.

Personally, I'm not especially enthusiastic about this type of virtue signalling initiative.

Among the sexual perversions proscribed as criminal offenses in the moral code of the Torah are homosexual relations between males (Lev. 18:22). Both offending parties are threatened with capital punishment (Lev. 20:13)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/homosexuality

Israels religion.