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Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:33 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:30 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm A weekend that celebrates armistice, I.e. peace seems like the perfect weekend for a March that is calling for peace. I don’t see the problem?

Of course, everyone wants peace, and (despite my post), the real sadness I have around this are for the civilian deaths on both sides.
They are of course just pawns in the game of war and ludicrous "religions".

However- it is arrogant in the extreme to think that a march on the other side of the world (UK) is going to change much in the immediate future.

They already marched.
And sat in railway stations.
It made no difference. They could march the weekend after Remembrance Sunday. ~

It's called respect for the UK's war dead. Let's see if there is any.

The war dead that gave their life in the name of peace. I’m sure they’d feel very respected if they knew like minded people, doing something for injustice were doing it on remembrance.
What are you doing to respect them?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:52 pm Scuba- i think you're tarring an entire religion with things that just arent true or apply only to a minority.

I would bet that a significant number protesting arent even muslims.

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:42 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:33 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:30 pm

Of course, everyone wants peace, and (despite my post), the real sadness I have around this are for the civilian deaths on both sides.
They are of course just pawns in the game of war and ludicrous "religions".

However- it is arrogant in the extreme to think that a march on the other side of the world (UK) is going to change much in the immediate future.

They already marched.
And sat in railway stations.
It made no difference. They could march the weekend after Remembrance Sunday. ~

It's called respect for the UK's war dead. Let's see if there is any.

The war dead that gave their life in the name of peace. I’m sure they’d feel very respected if they knew like minded people, doing something for injustice were doing it on remembrance.
What are you doing to respect them?

The like minded people that have attacked Police, screamed for Jihad and displayed repulsive signs about death to the non-believers of their madness in our capital City?
I guess you mean them.

To answer your question. Not that I need to, but a damn sight more than you I guess. I put £20 in a collection box for a Poppy, and will attend the Cenotaph in the town where I live on the Sunday morning- as I always do. It's not much, I grant you.
My father fought in WW2 and watched his mates heads getting blown off, so I remember and respect.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:52 pm Scuba- i think you're tarring an entire religion with things that just arent true or apply only to a minority.

I would bet that a significant number protesting arent even muslims.

I think you should reconsider and edit your post, or I'll have no choice to hit the ban button.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:32 am They make it up as they go along

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:10 pm About 75% of the British population support the Palestinians

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:53 pm People have lost their minds. It feels like something has broken over these past couple of weeks. I recommend that everyone deletes Twitter and spends the next few weeks watching videos of kittens and puppies instead.

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:22 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:53 pm People have lost their minds. It feels like something has broken over these past couple of weeks. I recommend that everyone deletes Twitter and spends the next few weeks watching videos of kittens and puppies instead.

There's a certain amount of truth in this - I've started to give Twitter a miss recently as it's just relentless and I think damaging to your mental health. Far too many just intent on a split second gotcha moment and point scoring. The idea that you can find wrong on both sides of this conflict is just lost on so many.

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Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:22 pm Saturday is obviously going to be an awful battleground now - Suella and her ilk have created exactly what they wanted. Another divisive culture war that diverts attention away from the skip-fire government we're lumbered with.

faldO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:56 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:22 pm Saturday is obviously going to be an awful battleground now - Suella and her ilk have created exactly what they wanted. Another divisive culture war that diverts attention away from the skip-fire government we're lumbered with.

Dumping what may or may not happen on Saturday on "Suella and her ilk" is convenient but the issues run deeper than that. The marches may not be hate marches at Suella said but they are not altogether peace marches either.

The media and social media are littered with footage from the previous marches of antisemism, homophobia, and violence towards individuals and the police. This coming Saturday's march is at least in part organised by people associated with Hamas and those who drove through North London a couple of years ago hurling abuse at Jewish people. None of that can be laid on the government, and it is happening all over the world. Much of it comes from young people who seem to have a completely one-sided and myopic view of the world.

You're right that something is broken, and that the relentless barrage of news is distressing - see this article from The Guardian today.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... l-and-gaza

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:04 pm I don't really have the energy for an argument...

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:04 pm As someone else said this week, we don't ban football crowds because a minority engage in violence or racism.