Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:54 am

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:35 am If she's sitting as an independent she's not a Labour MP

Not that she's in any way relevant to this story.

Is relevant as singling out ‘wrong un Tories’. Plenty of ‘wrong uns Labour’
She was until jailed, had whip removed], hanging on by thread.

1, She received a sentence of 10 weeks imprisonment, suspended for two years at the Magistrates Court. This was overturned on appeal and she was given a 2-month community order of 80 hours unpaid work . Thus she was not jailed and does not even have a suspended sentence on her record.

2. She was convicted of Harassment, not threatening to throw acid at someone. Indeed Judge Taylor at the appeal hearing made a specific finding she did not threaten the victim with acid

https://news.sky.com/story/claudia-webb ... n-12621884


Always good to make correct allegations in support of a claim


PS She was still convicted and is expelled from the Labour Party though

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:37 pm If he's guilty I hope he gets nailed but is it *slightly* coincidental that this comes out after he was so vocal about accusing the Govt and opposition of being complicit in supporting alleged Israeli war crimes?

If this is tin foil hat stuff give me a slap and will shut up.

You do love a bout of ‘whataboutery’, even if it means throwing shade on Tory misdeeds.

Make up your mind where you stand.

Where's the whataboutery here? Do you know what the word means?

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:00 pm Where's the whataboutery here? Do you know what the word means?

Come on.

You love to partake in it and can’t have it both ways.

Which agenda are you promoting this time? Is your disrespect of Labour worse than than your feelings towards the Tories?

By all means call out perceived hypocrisy but you should probably at least wait until you see an example of me actually doing it.

Another to add to the list of people just flat out acting as if the previous conversation had contained totally different exchanges to what happened

This is all very Ianteresting.

Yes, but the point is, the Tories are all wrong 'uns..

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:35 am Also, yes, actually raping someone is worse than threatening to do something to someone.
There isn’t actually a Schrödinger’s box where he currently both has and hasn’t committed rape, meaning that currently he can be judged as if he half did it. If he did what he is alleged to have done, then he’s a rapist.
Why are you comparing someone accused of something to someone convicted of something else?

Only highlighting fact that the Tory MP is still not charged yet other Labour ones have been convicted and yes rape is far more serious, as yet allegations. I accept specific details were partly erroneous. I was unaware she had amendments in her appeal but accept she has. Even so not becoming of a public servant ? Others public servants and like have been sacked for less. Standards have dropped across society, Police, Judiciary , Medical Profession, Teaching , everywhere. Why is this? What are the answers?

I think LCL's contributions are appropriate as he is definitely a Tory Wrong'un. An exceedingly boring one as well.

Can you tell me who would sack an independent MP? Interested to hear.

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:17 pm Can you tell me who would sack an independent MP? Interested to hear.

Speaker can exclude I suspect. Or Gove?

You suspect wrong.

LCL getting confused between the concept of a “speaker” and a “dictator”

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:43 pm LCL getting confused between the concept of a “speaker” and a “dictator”

But if a postman did fraud, they'd get the sack so what does that say about Kier Starmer?

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:48 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:43 pm LCL getting confused between the concept of a “speaker” and a “dictator”

But if a postman did fraud, they'd get the sack so what does that say about Kier Starmer?

Then again if she whip removed and she became independent then has no jurisdiction over her and only Lindsay hoyel or Deputy Laing can or possibly the Sergeant in Arms. If a postman or other public servant committed fraud you are right would get sack but MPs seem above the law like that MP who got wife to take speeding points (SDP) John Stonehouse, ‘ Sword of Truth ‘ now reverend Jonathan Aitkins, all the expenses fraudsters, mainly Labour who got jailed for fraud. I think Margaret Moran got half a million but escaped jail .

How does the MP who tried to get his wife to take the speeding points show that MPs are above the law? Surely it shows that MPs don’t always respect the law and try to get away with crimes.
That’s different from being above the law, which would mean no consequences for transgressions

Chris Huhne it was and his wife Vicky Price who reinvented herself as an expert on money matters. I suppose avoid paying fines save chunks of dosh. I found Chis Huhme a bit slimy as he was pompous and arrogant in interviews. He would have had to sign a declaration on the speeding form to declare it was true with a warning of consequences if he was telling fibs.
Some do think they are above the Law. Staying with Libs , look at Jeremy Thorpe and what he got up to!

Exactly like when Geoffrey Archer who was made a Knight! wrote all the books but then went to prison and there was the Profumo Affair when something else happened so some MPs like to have sex with people they are not married to, what does this say about society? This shows that the SNP are just as bad as everyone else and Sturgeon could never be trusted to hold another referendum on Scotland's right to become an Independent Sovereign State with its own army and lots of oil. Makes you think.

Once again, a reply from LCL that engages with zero of what I actually said

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:17 pm Can you tell me who would sack an independent MP? Interested to hear.

Electorate at a General Election or on a by election called after a successful recall petition

That’s not being sacked though, is it?
The point is that there is no sense in which a political party is turning a blind eye to an MP’s transgressions (as was claimed) when the MP in question is an independent, and furthermore is an independent *because* her party took action against her for her transgressions

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:44 pm Exactly like when Geoffrey Archer who was made a Knight! wrote all the books but then went to prison and there was the Profumo Affair when something else happened so some MPs like to have sex with people they are not married to, what does this say about society? This shows that the SNP are just as bad as everyone else and Sturgeon could never be trusted to hold another referendum on Scotland's right to become an Independent Sovereign State with its own army and lots of oil. Makes you think.

Spot on. I forgot about Sturgeon , her husband and the mystery of the low mileage motor home parked on the mother in laws drive. For comparatively small paries, the SNP and Lib Dem’s seem to have a disproportionate amount of scandals.

Playing along finally, fair enough.