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Orientinoz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:15 pm The sandpaper jibe is wearing a bit thin now.....A starc reality is yet to hit...

kokomO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:03 pm For what it’s worth I’d drop Denly buttler, bairstow and Ali (a walking wicket against Lyon on any surface) and leave out the injured anderson. I wouldn’t change the openers again for lords what’s the point.....this would be my eleven for lords;

Burns
Roy
Root
Malan
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Woakes
Curran (Sam)
Broad
Archer
Leach

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm And the amazing thing is, why did someone as good as Smith have to do it? Mind you, the Australians are notoriously bad losers.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:20 pm So cheats do prosper it seems. The local BandQ has had a rush on sandpaper too. Mind you I’m sure the Aussies are a little more creative now. Sandpaper lined trousers, even shirt badges made of grit.

Anything goes in the name of winning.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:54 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:20 pm So cheats do prosper it seems. The local BandQ has had a rush on sandpaper too. Mind you I’m sure the Aussies are a little more creative now. Sandpaper lined trousers, even shirt badges made of grit.

Anything goes in the name of winning.

So all in all, the Aussies showed ''True Grit''

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:21 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:54 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:20 pm So cheats do prosper it seems. The local BandQ has had a rush on sandpaper too. Mind you I’m sure the Aussies are a little more creative now. Sandpaper lined trousers, even shirt badges made of grit.

Anything goes in the name of winning.

So all in all, the Aussies showed ''True Grit''

Don’t agree Sid. They didn’t show True Grit, they hid the grit, and much better than before. The ball had a close encounter of the worst kind.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm And the amazing thing is, why did someone as good as Smith have to do it? Mind you, the Australians are notoriously bad losers.

I think Warner (and Darren Lehmann) were the brains behind it. I think its widely known that Warner was calling the shots when Smith was captain.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:49 am

Red_Army wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm And the amazing thing is, why did someone as good as Smith have to do it? Mind you, the Australians are notoriously bad losers.

I think Warner (and Darren Lehmann) were the brains behind it. I think its widely known that Warner was calling the shots when Smith was captain.

Like Smith is obviously calling the shots now that Paine is captain?

Red_Army wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm And the amazing thing is, why did someone as good as Smith have to do it? Mind you, the Australians are notoriously bad losers.

I think Warner (and Darren Lehmann) were the brains behind it. I think its widely known that Warner was calling the shots when Smith was captain.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:23 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm And the amazing thing is, why did someone as good as Smith have to do it? Mind you, the Australians are notoriously bad losers.

I think Warner (and Darren Lehmann) were the brains behind it. I think its widely known that Warner was calling the shots when Smith was captain.

And.....?

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:00 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:49 am

Red_Army wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

I think Warner (and Darren Lehmann) were the brains behind it. I think its widely known that Warner was calling the shots when Smith was captain.

Like Smith is obviously calling the shots now that Paine is captain?

Quite possibly.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:41 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:00 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:49 am

Like Smith is obviously calling the shots now that Paine is captain?

Quite possibly.

So why isn't Warner still calling the shots now?

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:22 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:21 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:54 pm

So all in all, the Aussies showed ''True Grit''

Don’t agree Sid. They didn’t show True Grit, they hid the grit, and much better than before. The ball had a close encounter of the worst kind.

With all the talk to the sandpaper incident, in this case, a ''pun'' e.g True Grit. referring to the way the Aussies battled back from being 122-8 to finishing at a score of 284 runs and then end up winning the match after starting their second innings 90 runs behind Englands first innings score.
Certain players in the England team need to realise they need to cut out the one day shots and be told that they are playing 5 day test cricket and knuckle down and be prepared to tough it out when batting. Buttler, Bairstow and Roy in particular are getting themselves out. Denly like Vince, not a test player and Moeen Ali needs to go back to County Cricket and sort his game out, in both the batting and bowling departments. Meantime I would go for bringing in Sam Curran, Jack Leach and Jofra Archer. Sam Curran swings the ball, lively bowler and scores runs in the lower order similar to the way Woakes does. Problem for England now is that it is harder to get into the team than it is to be dropped from it !!

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:06 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:22 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:21 pm

Don’t agree Sid. They didn’t show True Grit, they hid the grit, and much better than before. The ball had a close encounter of the worst kind.

With all the talk to the sandpaper incident, in this case, a ''pun'' e.g True Grit. referring to the way the Aussies battled back from being 122-8 to finishing at a score of 284 runs and then end up winning the match after starting their second innings 90 runs behind Englands first innings score.
Certain players in the England team need to realise they need to cut out the one day shots and be told that they are playing 5 day test cricket and knuckle down and be prepared to tough it out when batting. Buttler, Bairstow and Roy in particular are getting themselves out. Denly like Vince, not a test player and Moeen Ali needs to go back to County Cricket and sort his game out, in both the batting and bowling departments. Meantime I would go for bringing in Sam Curran, Jack Leach and Jofra Archer. Sam Curran swings the ball, lively bowler and scores runs in the lower order similar to the way Woakes does. Problem for England now is that it is harder to get into the team than it is to be dropped from it !!

Mediocre from England and I dare say changes for the next game. Archer needs to get his chance in an Ashes game.