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Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:20 am
by Sid Bishop
DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:09 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:02 am
LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:34 pm
Its €8m - so its under £7m so we could still be in for a fair whack if true. Alzate had his chance under Potter but has stalled. Watched him a few times and seemed hesitant to play positive football - almost if he was scared to make a mistake.
Correct, so at today's currency rate....................1 euro equals 0.85 pound Sterling.
Showing results for 8 million euros to pounds
8,000,000 Euro equals
6,837,443.80 Pound sterling, so if its 20% of that going to the Os bank account, happy days indeed !
Who says the Academy doesnt produce much!
This time it certainly has. Let us pray this proposed deal does come off, a win win deal for all parties involved. OMG. Brighton continue to keep the cash till ticking, quite amazing the amount of money they are getting in with all these transfer deals and from what I can remember, they even got compensation from Chelsea when Potter and his coaching staff left Brighton to join them.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:45 am
by Jman
We could really bloody do with that going through asap. Shot in the arm as we could probably fetch in a couple more bodies with the proceeds.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:02 am
by Mistadobalina
I doubt it'd be structured so that all payment was up front and to be honest, it's a bit disappointing that this is the size of fee we're talking about given the trajectory he seemed to be on a few years ago at a club that are incredible at selling. But an extra 500k-1m would cover the extra money Wellens has suggested we're going to bring forward from January's reserve budget so hopefully gives us some funds to recruit now, and then later in the season once we have a better sense of where the real 'quality' issues lie.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:25 am
by LittleMate
Alzate gets Itay or Spain; Koroma has got Hudderfield and Dalby got Wales!
I think Alzate has the best of it!
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:32 am
by Leytondave
There is also part of the 5% solidarity contribution that Orient would be due (on top of any potential future sell on fee) .... not all the 5% of the original transfer fee but a % for the years he was at our club.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:46 am
by BiggsyMalone
Leytondave wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:32 am
There is also part of the 5% solidarity contribution that Orient would be due (on top of any potential future sell on fee) .... not all the 5% of the original transfer fee but a % for the years he was at our club.
That’s until 23, he’s 24
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am
by Leytondave
Exactly... just like with Harry Kane... Orient will appear on the player passport for a part of the 5% solidarity contribution due as he was at our club before the age of 23. Being older than 23 does not mean a club does not get solidarity contribution payments!! Just like if Harry Kane would next season move to a new club from Bayern for x million euros... Orient would AGAIN be due solidarity contribution... and the same would apply if Alzate moves from his new club - say Sevilla - to a third club next season for x million euros!! So Orient are due a part of the solidarity from the Kane move... and again should Alzate move from Brighton for a transfer involving a fee.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:46 am
by Story of O
Kane was never our player
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm
by Leytondave
But Kane having been on loan at our club for x months... and being under 23 at the time... the club automatically appears on the player passport and all clubs participating in the players career up until 23 are due a part of the 5% solidarity for each transfer involving a transfer fee. Same way as Leicester, Norwich, Millwall and even Arsenal are all due money from the Kane transfer....
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:33 pm
by Story of O
If that’s the case we must have made quite a bit on the players we have loaned
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:45 pm
by Leytondave
Only if those players ended up going for a transfer fee later on in their careers and the player was at our club before turning 23....
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:57 pm
by Story of O
I think we’ve had a few of them. How old were the lads who were here with Kane?
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:04 pm
by Stan1972
Leeds also interested in Alzate, but could end up a season loan deal not a transfer, let’s hope it’s a transfer with a fee involved and not a season loan deal
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:51 pm
by DaveDunmore
Stan1972 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Leeds also interested in Alzate, but could end up a season loan deal not a transfer, let’s hope it’s a transfer with a fee involved and not a season loan deal
Doubt a years loan his contract is up 2024 so would be a free agent
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:06 pm
by Jman
Hang on so you’re saying we got paid on Kane’s move to Bayern?!
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:40 pm
by Adz
Leytondave wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am
Exactly... just like with Harry Kane... Orient will appear on the player passport for a part of the 5% solidarity contribution due as he was at our club before the age of 23. Being older than 23 does not mean a club does not get solidarity contribution payments!! Just like if Harry Kane would next season move to a new club from Bayern for x million euros... Orient would AGAIN be due solidarity contribution... and the same would apply if Alzate moves from his new club - say Sevilla - to a third club next season for x million euros!! So Orient are due a part of the solidarity from the Kane move... and again should Alzate move from Brighton for a transfer involving a fee.
Had never heard of this before so looked it up, only relevant to international transfers so not hugely common. Kane went for 100m 5% is 5m split over 11 years. The first 4 years are worth half the subsequent years, so we should get over 500k from it!
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:11 am
by BIGRON
Trouble with these add ons you never seem to get the money as quickly as you want
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:32 am
by Max B Gold
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:40 pm
Leytondave wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am
Exactly... just like with Harry Kane... Orient will appear on the player passport for a part of the 5% solidarity contribution due as he was at our club before the age of 23. Being older than 23 does not mean a club does not get solidarity contribution payments!! Just like if Harry Kane would next season move to a new club from Bayern for x million euros... Orient would AGAIN be due solidarity contribution... and the same would apply if Alzate moves from his new club - say Sevilla - to a third club next season for x million euros!! So Orient are due a part of the solidarity from the Kane move... and again should Alzate move from Brighton for a transfer involving a fee.
Had never heard of this before so looked it up, only relevant to international transfers so not hugely common. Kane went for 100m 5% is 5m split over 11 years. The first 4 years are worth half the subsequent years, so we should get over 500k from it!
Just tried it on transfermarkts ready reckoner. Computer says no. He was owned and developed by the Hotspots so we get nothing.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:17 am
by Adz
According to the FIFA regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, clubs that have contributed to a player's training and education are entitled to receive a share of the solidarity contribution when the player is transferred. This applies to players on loan as well as those who are transferred permanently. The solidarity contribution is 5% of the transfer fee, and is paid by the buying club to the clubs that have trained the player.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:01 am
by Sid Bishop
Adz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:17 am
According to the FIFA regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, clubs that have contributed to a player's training and education are entitled to receive a share of the solidarity contribution when the player is transferred. This applies to players on loan as well as those who are transferred permanently. The solidarity contribution is 5% of the transfer fee, and is paid by the buying club to the clubs that have trained the player.
Complicated arrangement that I had never heard of before and will be great if we can get a slice of the Harry Kane transfer fee. Wonder how long this will take to sort out and also wonder if the fans will ever get to know about the final outcome if we do get part of this transfer fee ?
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:54 am
by Adz
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:01 am
Adz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:17 am
According to the FIFA regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, clubs that have contributed to a player's training and education are entitled to receive a share of the solidarity contribution when the player is transferred. This applies to players on loan as well as those who are transferred permanently. The solidarity contribution is 5% of the transfer fee, and is paid by the buying club to the clubs that have trained the player.
Complicated arrangement that I had never heard of before and will be great if we can get a slice of the Harry Kane transfer fee. Wonder how long this will take to sort out and also wonder if the fans will ever get to know about the final outcome if we do get part of this transfer fee ?
Unless NT talks about it, we'll only find out when the accounts are published at the end of the financial year.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:47 am
by Leytondave
As I mentioned yesterday: 5% solidarity contribution is payable for any transfer that involves a transfer fee! An electronic player passport is generated as soon as a transfer takes place and the national FA of that country will upload all clubs previously associated with the players training. Solidarity is payable up until the age of 23. There is also Training Compensation which potentially involves much higher amounts for a club like Leyton Orient than a share of the 5% solidarity would bring in. However, that is based on the training catergory of the club and Orient has a lower grade than Premier league teams for example. This is payable when a club offers a player his first professional contract. Anyway independent of all of this... Orient will be receiving a share of the solidarity of the Kane transfer through the FIFA clearing house but that is proving to take longer than usual since being introduced last year.... how do I know? I work in this area....
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:02 pm
by moonwalk19
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:49 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:45 pm
We have 20% of any profit so could be as much as £1.2 million. It will at least give us some leeway in the January window, so let’s hope it happens.
Great news for the club if this does happen and if this proposed transfer does happen, then hope that Steve Alzate's career flourishes at his new club.
Don’t get too excited Brighton manager says he returned from being on loan at Standard Liege and he forms part of the first team
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:23 pm
by Sid Bishop
moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:02 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:49 am
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:45 pm
We have 20% of any profit so could be as much as £1.2 million. It will at least give us some leeway in the January window, so let’s hope it happens.
Great news for the club if this does happen and if this proposed transfer does happen, then hope that Steve Alzate's career flourishes at his new club.
Don’t get too excited Brighton manager says he returned from being on loan at Standard Liege and he forms part of the first team
Ok we shall see if the Alzate transfer does come about and in the mean time, from what has been said before, still a slice of the Harry Kane transfer fee to come to the club.
Re: Alzate: £8M transfer
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:33 pm
by Nad2008
DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:29 am
moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:19 am
DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:53 pm
Lingy has stated in a very early interview around the time when Bonne was sold to QPR that in all cases when selling players a 20% sell on fee is included .He actually mentioned Alzate in that interview
Strange no one seems to recall this interview apart from a few alias
Two people have told you it was said. Both have provided where it was said. Why don’t you find it if you’re still in doubt?
