Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Jman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:04 pm I’m saying the short term criticism of the team’s performances is justified, of course it is, but it’s easy to fall into the trap of overreacting in the grander picture of things

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:51 pm Max b Gold must be the most negative person I've ever encountered - wonder if he's ever smiled...

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:55 am In the main I feel that the majority of criticism levelled at the club ot its players so far this season has been valid.
Of course no one wants witch hunts against certain players or staff. But it’s quite healthy to question some of the decisions being made.
The injury situation is very unfortunate and probably the biggest cause of our poor start. However, there are other factors worthy of discussion and (dare I say) criticism. Our tendency to pretend we don’t have any strikers on the pitch, the long-standing reluctance to attack the opposition goal, our wastefulness from set pieces, the strange decision to put a novice between the sticks, transferring Ogie to Gillingham. These are all examples of areas where I think it is perfectly reasonable and healthy for Os fans to debate.

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:51 pm Max b Gold must be the most negative person I've ever encountered - wonder if he's ever smiled...

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:51 pm Max b Gold must be the most negative person I've ever encountered - wonder if he's ever smiled...

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:33 pm

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:51 pm Max b Gold must be the most negative person I've ever encountered - wonder if he's ever smiled...

Probably when he breaks wind

BigDaddyO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:51 pm Max b Gold must be the most negative person I've ever encountered - wonder if he's ever smiled...

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:03 am You’re not allowed to criticise a football teams performance unless you can personally afford to own the club yourself?

What sort of childish logic is that?

Bizarre

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:59 am

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:39 am F or F
Why not just take the club over as you have this fantastic ability and insight to achieve utopia. You would then accept criticism, how ever hurtful or untrue, and not worry about the effect on your family or friends. By all means be as arrogant and obnoxious as you wish, after all, we do live in a democracy. Your inept response and comments about reckless defensive howlers, horrendous examples are just that, pathetic and sad, as if issued from a lower part of your anatomy rather than any grey matter you may have.

It’s good to have a different point of view and noticed you don’t post to much personaly I don’t think ForF was being to obnoxious, think he had a point about the games so far but where I disagree with him was the last comment, the club have suffered horrendous injuries which can’t be helped and they’ve been very unlucky however we are all allowed to have an opinion,weather you agree or disagree is up to you but there are some that just love to argue for no apparent reason

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:11 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:59 am

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:39 am F or F
Why not just take the club over as you have this fantastic ability and insight to achieve utopia. You would then accept criticism, how ever hurtful or untrue, and not worry about the effect on your family or friends. By all means be as arrogant and obnoxious as you wish, after all, we do live in a democracy. Your inept response and comments about reckless defensive howlers, horrendous examples are just that, pathetic and sad, as if issued from a lower part of your anatomy rather than any grey matter you may have.

It’s good to have a different point of view and noticed you don’t post to much personaly I don’t think ForF was being to obnoxious, think he had a point about the games so far but where I disagree with him was the last comment, the club have suffered horrendous injuries which can’t be helped and they’ve been very unlucky however we are all allowed to have an opinion,weather you agree or disagree is up to you but there are some that just love to argue for no apparent reason

You are correct I don’t post much, as so much of the content on this forum is so very negative. But sometimes very crass statements are made and I too am entitled to my opinion to be more positive.

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:07 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:03 am You’re not allowed to criticise a football teams performance unless you can personally afford to own the club yourself?

What sort of childish logic is that?

Bizarre

Where do you get that from, certainly not me! Of course everyone is entitled to criticise but personal insults and continuing negative comments are unlikely to encourage youngsters who are doing their best whilst learning their trade, let alone investors and owners who could, at anytime, just walk away. Then what would you suggest we do if they did walk?

No childish logic, rather suggest you read what was said and not make up fairy tales.

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:07 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:03 am You’re not allowed to criticise a football teams performance unless you can personally afford to own the club yourself?

What sort of childish logic is that?

Bizarre

Where do you get that from, certainly not me! Of course everyone is entitled to criticise but personal insults and continuing negative comments are unlikely to encourage youngsters who are doing their best whilst learning their trade, let alone investors and owners who could, at anytime, just walk away. Then what would you suggest we do if they did walk?

No childish logic, rather suggest you read what was said and not make up fairy tales.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:09 pm

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

Fans allowing owners free reign and not questioning decisions is what caused the club to nearly go under. Nigel and Kent aren’t beyond questioning and criticism. Neither are anyone else at the club. They’ve been at the club for 6 years now, its time to let the past go.

Your post is exactly why Orient have and will always be a tiny club. Such a small time mentality.

DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:22 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:09 pm

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

Fans allowing owners free reign and not questioning decisions is what caused the club to nearly go under. Nigel and Kent aren’t beyond questioning and criticism. Neither are anyone else at the club. They’ve been at the club for 6 years now, its time to let the past go.

Your post is exactly why Orient have and will always be a tiny club. Such a small time mentality.

Go and support a big club then , Orient is Orient happy when we win sad when we lose . Unfortunately their are more important things in life , personally I think the small mentality comes from posts like yours

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:33 am

DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:22 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:09 pm
Fans allowing owners free reign and not questioning decisions is what caused the club to nearly go under. Nigel and Kent aren’t beyond questioning and criticism. Neither are anyone else at the club. They’ve been at the club for 6 years now, its time to let the past go.

Your post is exactly why Orient have and will always be a tiny club. Such a small time mentality.

Go and support a big club then , Orient is Orient happy when we win sad when we lose . Unfortunately their are more important things in life , personally I think the small mentality comes from posts like yours

You think him saying he doesn’t want Orient to get to the Premier League isn’t smalltime?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:34 am You think owners should be exempt from criticism on the basis of having put money in? Did you only start supporting Orient in 2018?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:48 am Once again, you think that the only people who can criticise are those who have the financial resources to run a club?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:08 pm You must have been well angry when all those fans with no qualifications or experience occupied the pitch to protest about the ownership of Beelzebub. Or did you check that they were all billionaires who had previously run clubs first?