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Re my post reply to leebmx pleaseNorth Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:04 pm Monkey boy, be interested to hear on your theory.
Possibly inside information?
But I also know of someone close to Ritchie and certainly not anything I am hearing about he'll be off anytime soon.
You don't have to feel guilty egg, everything you say here is more or less true. Everyone's blaming the players for one thing or another, everyone's suggesting a new striker will solve our problems, but no one is laying any of the blame on the manager. RW has to change our attacking approach. There is and always has been too much emphasis on our midfield dominance. How many times do we see us dominating games early on without creating any openings,and then the opposition go down the other end for more or less the first time and either score or create a goalscoring chance ? Some people are blind to the fact that because we won the league last year there can't be any problems. Well, there were problems and there still are this season. Last term we relied on wonder goals or had to work like trojans to edge wins by the odd goal. We're in a higher division now and have drawn three blanks on the trot. That hasn't come as any surprise to me and it's not ALL down to the players either but down to the manager too to change things.Eggski wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:28 pm Please don't hate me, really don't rate RW, has one game plan, that he constantly tries, really pleased it worked last year, but we have all got to admit, games last year were very boring and predictable. And we made hard work of it. Think to be honest, last year was odd, big teams were in transition, but it was great sometimes
This bit especially confuses me. Not backed how? Financially?Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:16 pm
You ask why I think Wellens will leave. Think today was perfectly obvious, he’s not been backed.
RW says post match that we might not get them as we are likely to need a new keeper.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:54 pmThat business needs to be done quickly in key areas? When the 3 defenders were delaying on contracts was quite happy to see all replaced if it came to it.O Superman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:45 pm....and what would you have said if we had binned 3/4 of a championship winning squad in June and taken 3 months to replace it?gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:18 pm
But you can tell them they don't feature in your plans and look to move them on. The likes of Sotiriou and Thompson aren't suitable options at this level but could be useful to clubs in L2, much like Clay went to Sutton once he knew he wasn't being offered anything.
Also get the feeling in desperation to not have to recruit a large number of players in one go over summer we may have overpaid the likes of Happe, Beckles and Sweeney, having lost core squad members in Vigs and Smyth.
The key ones to retain moved on and we got one unexpected bonus with El Miz returning. Not many would've been fussed if our L2 strikers left either.
Was told by someone that Kent said Monday?RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:49 pmWhat I'd like to know is how close are we to signing these next two strikers .North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:04 pm Monkey boy, be interested to hear on your theory.
Possibly inside information?
But I also know of someone close to Ritchie and certainly not anything I am hearing about he'll be off anytime soon.
If Sol stay's back at Middlesborough wouldn't that free up some of our budget to get another keeper . If it doesn't we'd be getting just one more striker at best .DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:15 amRW says post match that we might not get them as we are likely to need a new keeper.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:54 pmThat business needs to be done quickly in key areas? When the 3 defenders were delaying on contracts was quite happy to see all replaced if it came to it.O Superman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:45 pm
....and what would you have said if we had binned 3/4 of a championship winning squad in June and taken 3 months to replace it?
The key ones to retain moved on and we got one unexpected bonus with El Miz returning. Not many would've been fussed if our L2 strikers left either.
Was told by someone that Kent said Monday?RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:49 pm
What I'd like to know is how close are we to signing these next two strikers .
Orient fans are f*cking weird at times.Eggski wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:28 pm Please don't hate me, really don't rate RW, has one game plan, that he constantly tries, really pleased it worked last year, but we have all got to admit, games last year were very boring and predictable. And we made hard work of it. Think to be honest, last year was odd, big teams were in transition, but it was great sometimes
Highly unlikely give that he’s injured and out of action until October.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:58 pmYet after our terrible defending today Thompson might be in for a start on Tuesday night . He can't do any worse then Beckles did today .The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:43 pm The relegation 6 pointer comment is a bit dramatic but there is a fair bit of truth in the rest of what you say.
I’d actually forgotten that we even have Thompson at the club. He isn’t L1 standard.
Well @Monkey Boy....you got it right ( on the other forum ) about KJ not lasting the full season, it was not a popular view and you got a lot of flack for saying that..... but you turned out to be right !Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:48 pmI would give an answer Dave if you really want but I’m fed up with the constant abuse I get off people for voicing my opinionsNorth Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:17 pm Monkeyboy why are you so obsessed that Ritchie will be gone by Christmas or October, do you go out drinking with him or something?
These chats are about the team but you always come back with 'Ritchie will be gone by so and so'?
What makes you so sure?
He'll be hear to the end of the season..trust me.
I told you in May that El Mizoni would sign for us again & I'll tell you now Ritchie will be here the full season.
Not a 50/50 guess, true facts.
I'll remind you of this post end of April.
I agree with most things you have said.I thought yesterday apart from the first 10 minutes it looked like men against boys.I thought that it was the worst performance under Richie’s reign. The defence did not appear to have much faith in the goalkeeper he looked out of his depth.Vigs always commanded his area. To me Riches post match interview did not address the facts that we were out gunned by a team who could have gone up another level at any time. Our full backs were poor and hardly won a header.There were problems all over the pitch.is Richie trying to get the fitnes level to L1 level that is causing these injuries.Is he pushing them too hard . After yesterday’s performance we perhaps do need 5 /6 good L1 playersComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:47 pm Where to begin eh?
Everything Ive been saying over the last few days was there for all to see yet again, if you choose to open your eyes, which it looks like more ( not all) are now doing.
We are so far behind the standard of this league, its embarrassing. Only 1 player is truly of the standard required, and thats El Miz, who shines like a swan would by the side of ugly ducklings.
Some of the squad are so truly awful, I dont know how Richie gave them new contracts. I'm talking about Jayden & Omar...they are both nowhere near good enough, no where near.
Rob Hunt has been shown to be no more than a bog standard league 2 player, and Danny Happe is leaving a lot to be desired. His performances have been poor, but ill not write him off as a lost cause quite yet. His injury from last season might still be a slight factor, and i believe he is capable of some improvement. The juries out on him for now.
Moncs wasnt great, but he is one of our better players. Brown has improvement in him too, Sanders & Galbraith, i havent seen enough to give an opinion on them at this time.
Sotiriou is being attacked by many as not being good enough, but to me, he isnt bad. I like him, and find it hard to understand that people attack him, but remain silent about Stewart & Beccles!!!!
Finally Pigott. Cant make my mind up about him, so I'll put him on ice so to speak, for the time being.
We need about 5 or 6 good reliable league 1 players brought in, but I doubt if it will happen, and we are going to struggle to stay in this league. In fact, as we are, its a near certainty we wont stay in this league past this season.
On Tuesday, we are playing Wycombe, another struggling side, and already, this early, its a 6 pointer relegation battle.
We are told a player will be coming in next week, possibly 2 players. they must be experienced players who know what they are doing.........a couple of promising kids wont cut the mustard here, for us.
I love this club, Ive been supporting them for 58 years ffs, and seeing what im seeing is breaking my bloody heart. It can be put right, if the will ( and money) is there to do it. Is it though?
Just to finish, I have had some of the worst insults thrown at me this past week, simply for giving my opinion. The mods/Admin should be addressing this, but they dont seem to want to, so please, if you dont agree with me, just tell me why you dont, but dont throw personal insults at me. You are showing yourselves up
Yes a good and balanced comment. quote ''The aim needs to be safety this season and then build from there. It's not the dream we all want, but it is the reality we face'' Yes very true, that is the harsh reality and IMO very fanciful those talking pre-season of another promotion this season.Adz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:15 am I'm kind of torn on this. It feels like the board and management have under estimated the step up, but we have played 2 of the biggest teams in the league (both former premier league, I still have the stub from our cup upset at fratton Park!).
We've been a bit unlucky with injuries, but it shows that our depth is inadequate (especially up front).
I had worries before the season started that some of our first team players wouldn't be able to make the step up and it is starting to look the case, but I think we need to give them a bit more time to get used to the increased speed and technicality of the league.
If you think back to when we last got promoted from league 2, it was very similar to now. You can't make wholesale changes and build a team from scratch, you have to give the players who achieved the promotion a chance and make incremental replacements. To strengthen over time.
The aim needs to be safety this season and then build from there. It's not the dream we all want, but it is the reality we face.
Thanks for the reply Sid and others too,I may of been a little over zealous with the October comment however if things do remain the same transfer wise then he will definitely be gone by the end of the season if not before. Think yesterday’s game proved the point how threadbare we are up front. It’s just not a matter of just injuries but more a question of moral and confidence even after 3 games. We don’t even look like scoring and the longer it goes on the deeper the moral will affect the team ,supporters and crucially the manager. If they don’t get at least 3 quality players in,even on 3 month short term contracts to tied us over then all the hard work the chairman/board have done over the last five years would be for nothing. Saying that I feel the Chairman as brilliant as he is,has made a mistake by coming out at the end of last season and saying that the club just wants to stabilise for the next few seasons. He should of said nothing and just left it. By doing that you put a mind set into players,supporters and manager that your willing to tread water for a few years. I could imo pick the bones out of last Saturday’s and yesterday’s performance in a negative way but I know I will get the usual abuse from the vultures on here and quite frankly,like I said life’s to short to argue with people that know nothing about the game and how it’s run and before anyone comes back to say I’m a know it all,I don’t “but frankly my dear I don’t give a damn”Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:24 amWell @Monkey Boy....you got it right ( on the other forum ) about KJ not lasting the full season, it was not a popular view and you got a lot of flack for saying that..... but you turned out to be right !Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:48 pmI would give an answer Dave if you really want but I’m fed up with the constant abuse I get off people for voicing my opinionsNorth Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:17 pm Monkeyboy why are you so obsessed that Ritchie will be gone by Christmas or October, do you go out drinking with him or something?
These chats are about the team but you always come back with 'Ritchie will be gone by so and so'?
What makes you so sure?
He'll be hear to the end of the season..trust me.
I told you in May that El Mizoni would sign for us again & I'll tell you now Ritchie will be here the full season.
Not a 50/50 guess, true facts.
I'll remind you of this post end of April.
As to RW being gone by October, well I think thats a very big call. I think myself that after just two league games and with this glut of injuries, plus Os being rather cash strapped to bring in quick quality replacements, well too early to call but I somewhat agree with @Eggski that Wellins seems to only having one way to play and if that plan goes wrong, then is rather inflexible in being able to adapt to changed circumstances and come up with a plan B,C or D etc. I think rather than Os challenging for promotion this season ( a popular theme amongst many fans on both forums ) I feel that especially with so many early injuries, its more like going to be a season of struggle, time will tell but lets hope for the best.
Alan West? Think you mean Colin West.
West wasn't a luxury, he was a liability!Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:07 amAlan West? Think you mean Colin West.
Don't judge Pigott until we get a settled side, he worked his nuts off yesterday with no support.
Does not help having seven players unavailable due to injury either, I take your point about the midfield being unbalanced there were though three good opportunities for us first half two for Moncur and one for Ruel - that said we didn't take them and the second half was poor.Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:24 am You can’t keep playing a system that doesn’t suit the players at your disposal. The full backs are over worked,and Sweeney in particular can’t put a decent cross in. Even if he did there’s nobody in the penalty area or six yard box. The centre back Beckles is to casual . Happe is always looking for the long diagonal ball. The wide players are not coming back to help out the full backs and Vice versa . The midfield isn’t balanced with the right players. Moncur is puffing like Thomas the tank engine. Brown doesn’t know what position to be in because he keeps getting moved around. Theo is the only outlet and he’s being doubled up on . Ruel is playing wide it’s not his position and you can see his confidence draining minute by minute. Pigot might as well stay in the dressing room,poor bugger is chasing shadows,he needs a player along side. The whole team when they start a game they seem to be looking to contain the other team and not go on the offensive for some reason. Portsmouth were not that great nor were Charlton imo but the longer the games went on the more confident they got. If we can manage to get a couple of strikers in this week and if we can edge in front of games we will look a different side.
Though it feels like we have a lot of CMs we don't in fact have any more than last season, just a bit of a step up in quality with one that was a loan (Duke-McKenna) now a permanent (Galbraith). Sanders replaced Clay like for like.Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:05 am I felt going into the season we had a midfielder too many and a striker too few.
I've seen him twice now and I'm not too impressed so far. But I always give new players time before a definitive assessment. Having said that about Piggot i think we have a big problem with creativity and link up play in the last third, and that's for the manager to sort out.
Rather premature and harsh judgement on Pigott imho. The bloke has landed in a team that is decimated by injuries and has been given next to no service. I’m confident he will do okay if others around him can also pick up their game.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:44 amI've seen him twice now and I'm not too impressed so far. But I always give new players time before a definitive assessment. Having said that about Piggot i think we have a big problem with creativity and link up play in the last third, and that's for the manager to sort out.
Sure is. The days of a water tight defence and 1-0 victories look to be over.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:44 amI've seen him twice now and I'm not too impressed so far. But I always give new players time before a definitive assessment. Having said that about Piggot i think we have a big problem with creativity and link up play in the last third, and that's for the manager to sort out.
