Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:27 am IMO I don't think you see, or hear, as much racism at Premier/Football League matches now as it is high profile and there are a lot of people willing to highlight it via social media, as we saw last season.

However, I do feel that there is more at grassroots level. My sons U13 team contains a lot of black players and the verbal abuse that they have received from opposing kids in their last 2 games has been like a return to the 70s.

And I see that Esteban is back as Buckingham.

Troy Townsend, Kick It Out’s development officer, was speaking on the day that the anti-discrimination organisation released figures which showed reports of discrimination across all levels of football rose by a third last season, from 319 in the previous year to 422.

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

Compared to when (and are we talking in UK or worldwide)? I can't recall many racist incidents involving throwing of bananas in the UK in a long long time.

The relatively incident at the Arsenal v Spurs game when a banana was thrown at a black player was a red herring as the person throwing the item was also black and as a result it wasn't prosecuted as a racist offence.

[Doesn't detract from the fact that something shouldn't have been thrown at a player in any event & is a criminal offence]

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:47 am Buckingham,

I do not know you. I have no idea who you are or if you have personality problems, but you were previously warned several times and then banned as Esteban.

Now you come on here in a different guise and continue to launch personal attacks and have now spread your hatred of me across 3 threads, ironically calling for me to be banned but trying to pretend you were not given a previous ban for your conduct towards me.

In this thread, you misreported what Kick it Out 's report says by claiming it was a rise in racist incidents when Kick it Out say it is a rise in REPORTED incidents. An easily corrected mistake. But instead you want to launch personal attacks and harass me rather than debate the issues about what can be done to reduce/ eradicate racism in football.

It is not helping anyone on here for you to continue personal vendettas and ruin thread after thread with your personal attacks. If you want to launch personal attacks on me, then why not start a separate thread and keep all your abuse there and stop ruining other threads eg the one about Macclesfield away tickets

As Prestige Worldwide says "pack It In". i have no desire to continually respond to your abusive attacks on me.

I would like to be able to discuss issues, not continually defend myself from your personal attacks. attacks which are rather strange as you have never met me, never spoken to me and know very little about me

WickfordO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:30 am Does it include non-white on white abuse? I bet it doesn't cos I reckon the percentage would be double that. I say that because as a former foster parent my wife and I were told by social services that non-whites cannot be considered as racist. Also does it include non-white on non-white, which is quite prominent especially between the Asian community.

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

Compared to when (and are we talking in UK or worldwide)? I can't recall many racist incidents involving throwing of bananas in the UK in a long long time.

The relatively incident at the Arsenal v Spurs game when a banana was thrown at a black player was a red herring as the person throwing the item was also black and as a result it wasn't prosecuted as a racist offence.

[Doesn't detract from the fact that something shouldn't have been thrown at a player in any event & is a criminal offence]

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:00 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

Compared to when (and are we talking in UK or worldwide)? I can't recall many racist incidents involving throwing of bananas in the UK in a long long time.

The relatively incident at the Arsenal v Spurs game when a banana was thrown at a black player was a red herring as the person throwing the item was also black and as a result it wasn't prosecuted as a racist offence.

[Doesn't detract from the fact that something shouldn't have been thrown at a player in any event & is a criminal offence]

He wasn’t black. He was Cypriot. Magistrates decided there was a racial element: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... nal-player But you know best.

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

The relatively incident at the Arsenal v Spurs game when a banana was thrown at a black player was a red herring as the person throwing the item was also black and as a result it wasn't prosecuted as a racist offence.

Buddy Manucci wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:27 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:30 am

Bottomley’s Ghost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 pm There seem to be a lot more bananas being thrown at players, .....

The relatively incident at the Arsenal v Spurs game when a banana was thrown at a black player was a red herring as the person throwing the item was also black and as a result it wasn't prosecuted as a racist offence.

That's a lie. Same old Spen.

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:47 am Buckingham,

I do not know you. I have no idea who you are or if you have personality problems, but you were previously warned several times and then banned as Esteban.

Now you come on here in a different guise and continue to launch personal attacks and have now spread your hatred of me across 3 threads, ironically calling for me to be banned but trying to pretend you were not given a previous ban for your conduct towards me.

In this thread, you misreported what Kick it Out 's report says by claiming it was a rise in racist incidents when Kick it Out say it is a rise in REPORTED incidents. An easily corrected mistake. But instead you want to launch personal attacks and harass me rather than debate the issues about what can be done to reduce/ eradicate racism in football.

It is not helping anyone on here for you to continue personal vendettas and ruin thread after thread with your personal attacks. If you want to launch personal attacks on me, then why not start a separate thread and keep all your abuse there and stop ruining other threads eg the one about Macclesfield away tickets

As Prestige Worldwide says "pack It In". i have no desire to continually respond to your abusive attacks on me.

I would like to be able to discuss issues, not continually defend myself from your personal attacks. attacks which are rather strange as you have never met me, never spoken to me and know very little about me

WickfordO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:30 am Does it include non-white on white abuse? I bet it doesn't cos I reckon the percentage would be double that. I say that because as a former foster parent my wife and I were told by social services that non-whites cannot be considered as racist. Also does it include non-white on non-white, which is quite prominent especially between the Asian community.