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banqo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:33 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:29 pm

You must have been watching a different McCart to the one I was watching .

Must have done. Mccart played well today. Or put it this way, he was miles better than Beccles and Sweeney.

Totally agree, Sweeney was poor, Beckles was awful.

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

OTF Photography Ltd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:41 pm Tough to mark as almost everyone was 8 or 9 first half and then we fell apart

Vigs - 5 - nothing to do first half. Spilt the ball when he should have held it in the lead up the their 2nd and distribution was shocking at times.

Hunt - 7 - linked up well with Smyth.
Beckles - 4 - completely lost his head second half which can’t happen. Wasn’t directly at fault for either goal I don’t think but he was making mistake after mistake, appealing for offside when he should have been defending etc…
Mccart - 6 - seemed pretty solid.
Sweeney - 5 - thought he was ok but poor header for their goal.

Brown - 4 - really like him but thought he had a bit of a shocker today.
El miz - 7 - different class most of the game
Moncur - 7.5 - best I’ve seen him first half but sort of disappeared

Smyth - 9 - unplayable. Created about 7 chances and could have scored a couple. Swapping wings didn’t suit him.
Sotiriou - 8 - 2 good goals. Caused their defence problems. A bit anonymous second half though
Sadlier - 6 - sorry, I don’t see it. In that first half, when everyone had all the space in the world he didn’t really do a lot. Useless when we have to dig in.

Subs:
Pratley - 4 - looked uncomfortable every time he had it
Kelman - 5 - couldn’t get a foothold but a great run and shot
James - 6 - a few quality balls. Still to lax defending.

Wellens - 6 - subs sort of made sense but it meant putting Smyth on the left with the bobbly pitch. He had the left back on toast. Got to take responsibility for the constant second half collapse. Don’t really know what happened but his ranting and raving on the sideline, whilst understandable, probably didn’t do much for calming the players down when they needed some leadership

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:47 pm If you think McCart has played well today, you don't get football, sorry.

McCart is not a L2 standard defender.

banqo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

No, let's just get rid of the imbeciles who booed at the end!!

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:49 pm

OTF Photography Ltd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:41 pm Tough to mark as almost everyone was 8 or 9 first half and then we fell apart

Vigs - 5 - nothing to do first half. Spilt the ball when he should have held it in the lead up the their 2nd and distribution was shocking at times.

Hunt - 7 - linked up well with Smyth.
Beckles - 4 - completely lost his head second half which can’t happen. Wasn’t directly at fault for either goal I don’t think but he was making mistake after mistake, appealing for offside when he should have been defending etc…
Mccart - 6 - seemed pretty solid.
Sweeney - 5 - thought he was ok but poor header for their goal.

Brown - 4 - really like him but thought he had a bit of a shocker today.
El miz - 7 - different class most of the game
Moncur - 7.5 - best I’ve seen him first half but sort of disappeared

Smyth - 9 - unplayable. Created about 7 chances and could have scored a couple. Swapping wings didn’t suit him.
Sotiriou - 8 - 2 good goals. Caused their defence problems. A bit anonymous second half though
Sadlier - 6 - sorry, I don’t see it. In that first half, when everyone had all the space in the world he didn’t really do a lot. Useless when we have to dig in.

Subs:
Pratley - 4 - looked uncomfortable every time he had it
Kelman - 5 - couldn’t get a foothold but a great run and shot
James - 6 - a few quality balls. Still to lax defending.

Wellens - 6 - subs sort of made sense but it meant putting Smyth on the left with the bobbly pitch. He had the left back on toast. Got to take responsibility for the constant second half collapse. Don’t really know what happened but his ranting and raving on the sideline, whilst understandable, probably didn’t do much for calming the players down when they needed some leadership

Not yet seen Stadlier go pass a player. Neither does he defend when required. Not a player we should sign next season

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:03 pm

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:47 pm If you think McCart has played well today, you don't get football, sorry.

McCart is not a L2 standard defender.

I do think McCart had a good game and do get football, end of day we all have our own opinions and not all our opinions are the same, it would be boring if they were.
But seriously you need to respect other peoples opinions and not insult people.
Also be respectful to Orient players by using correct surnames instead of calling McCart, McCarthorse

Skip wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:05 pm Can't argue with Ruel's goal return but got to think a proper centre forward gets on the end of one of those Smyth crosses across the 6 yard box of which there were many.

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:22 pm

Skip wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:05 pm Can't argue with Ruel's goal return but got to think a proper centre forward gets on the end of one of those Smyth crosses across the 6 yard box of which there were many.

Agree, we don't see to have anyone with that nous to sniff out the chances at the far post. Sadlier nowhere nearby either, he either seems to be playing at 50% of what he can do or just doesn't have it in him fitness wise.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:14 pm

Greenwich Orient wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:53 pm Good news: strikers scoring goals again

Bad news: we were utter s*** in the second half and missed an opportunity to pull away from the playoffs.

Still, that first 45 minutes of football was an absolute joy. I still can’t believe Paul Smyth is playing League 2 football. That guy is absolutely unbelievable. Great to see Moncur starting to have the effect on games we all expected him to from the start of the season, too.

Slight correction if I may, our one and only striker that was played in the proper position is scoring again, and can anyone explain why our one and only striker is then moved to the wing and a player that couldn’t score in a brothel is then put up front

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:08 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:14 pm

Greenwich Orient wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:53 pm Good news: strikers scoring goals again

Bad news: we were utter s*** in the second half and missed an opportunity to pull away from the playoffs.

Still, that first 45 minutes of football was an absolute joy. I still can’t believe Paul Smyth is playing League 2 football. That guy is absolutely unbelievable. Great to see Moncur starting to have the effect on games we all expected him to from the start of the season, too.

Slight correction if I may, our one and only striker that was played in the proper position is scoring again, and can anyone explain why our one and only striker is then moved to the wing and a player that couldn’t score in a brothel is then put up front

Would be interesting to see Os play ( dare I say it ? ) 4-4-2 with Ruel playing off a DECENT target man. I think it would work well.

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:03 pm

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:47 pm If you think McCart has played well today, you don't get football, sorry.

McCart is not a L2 standard defender.

I do think McCart had a good game and do get football, end of day we all have our own opinions and not all our opinions are the same, it would be boring if they were.
But seriously you need to respect other peoples opinions and not insult people.
Also be respectful to Orient players by using correct surnames instead of calling McCart, McCarthorse

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:08 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:14 pm

Greenwich Orient wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:53 pm Good news: strikers scoring goals again

Bad news: we were utter s*** in the second half and missed an opportunity to pull away from the playoffs.

Still, that first 45 minutes of football was an absolute joy. I still can’t believe Paul Smyth is playing League 2 football. That guy is absolutely unbelievable. Great to see Moncur starting to have the effect on games we all expected him to from the start of the season, too.

Slight correction if I may, our one and only striker that was played in the proper position is scoring again, and can anyone explain why our one and only striker is then moved to the wing and a player that couldn’t score in a brothel is then put up front

Would be interesting to see Os play ( dare I say it ? ) 4-4-2 with Ruel playing off a DECENT target man. I think it would work well.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:27 pm Given his proven ability to score goals and the fact that (a) Kelman is not ours and (b) we are as good as up, I would be tempted to pick Ruel as our first choice for the remainder of this season and see if he can be developed to meet Ritchies exacting requirements.

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:57 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:27 pm Given his proven ability to score goals and the fact that (a) Kelman is not ours and (b) we are as good as up, I would be tempted to pick Ruel as our first choice for the remainder of this season and see if he can be developed to meet Ritchies exacting requirements.

That's a fair point. In any case, Kelman looked a poor second choice yesterday - he hasn't got the presence of Drinnan, neither has he got the goals of Ruel, so he should be well down the pecking order.

My natural stance in this would be to bring Drinnan back in, especially given the opposition on Saturday and play Ruel as one of the three behind him. But you're right, let's give him a proper run there and see what he does. (I still don't think it works - look at the second halves in both the last 2 games when the opposition realised if they pressed us, we couldn't get out - but he deserves his chance).

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:57 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:27 pm Given his proven ability to score goals and the fact that (a) Kelman is not ours and (b) we are as good as up, I would be tempted to pick Ruel as our first choice for the remainder of this season and see if he can be developed to meet Ritchies exacting requirements.

That's a fair point. In any case, Kelman looked a poor second choice yesterday - he hasn't got the presence of Drinnan, neither has he got the goals of Ruel, so he should be well down the pecking order.

My natural stance in this would be to bring Drinnan back in, especially given the opposition on Saturday and play Ruel as one of the three behind him. But you're right, let's give him a proper run there and see what he does. (I still don't think it works - look at the second halves in both the last 2 games when the opposition realised if they pressed us, we couldn't get out - but he deserves his chance).