Another Footballer on Sexual Offence Charges

[oxo]

A footballers life must be very different to 30 years ago.

Women now feel more able to speak out against abusers and that is a good thing.

It is a good thing, but it is also concerning how many of the allegations do not result in convictions

Is it concerning, but for the opposite reason to the one you’re insinuating.

[spen666]

If the OP has been written as a WUM, it's in pretty poor taste.

If it's for real, he's a c***.

Yes I am a c**t for asking why there are more serious sexual offence allegations against football players than there were 30 or so years ago

I'm a c**t for daring to talk about issues.


After all by ignoring the topic of sexual allegations against footballers, the victims whether females or the footballers will be better served & things will improve.

Your misogynistic, incelesque phrasing says it all.

The topic isn’t sexual allegations against footballers.

The topic is allegations of sexual assaults committed by footballers.

Given I raised the topic, I think I know better than you what the topic I was raising was.

i deliberately used to words sexual allegations to cover the whole range of allegations of a sexual nature, and was not just limiting it to your much narrower "sexual assaults" Having affairs, group sex, filming and sharing videos of consensual sex etc are covered by sexual allegations, but not by your narrow "sexual assaults "

Sexual assaults are merely one part of the range of behaviours and allegations I was referring to.


there is nothing misogynistic about asking why we are hearing so many more allegations now or asking why there are so few convictions. It is by raising the topics and discussing them that we learn and improve the system.

We will only learn if we are able to discuss topics without resorting to the immediate use of misogynistic for anyone who mentions it. That approach worked well over Brexit didn't it. We ended up leaving the EU because anytime anyone tried to raise issues they were shouted down as Xenophobic, racist or Little Englanders.

Stifling debate produces the opposite result to that hoped for.

If someone is wrong, it should be possible to show that in the course of debate, not by resorting to abuse and preventing discussion.

[StillSpike]

In the interests of "debate" then.

Do you have any data that shows that allegations concerning behaviour of footballers are any less likely to result in convictions? If not, then perhaps you're starting from a false premise. That's not to say that it's NOT a concern that such a small proportion of allegations of sexual assault result in a conviction. The very nature of them means there's rarely direct witnesses. I read that up here more than 80% of allegations of sexual assault and rape never even get to court, and of the ones that do make it there's a low % that result in conviction. Irrespective of the occupation of the alleged perpetrator.

[spen666]

In the interests of "debate" then.

Do you have any data that shows that allegations concerning behaviour of footballers are any less likely to result in convictions? If not, then perhaps you're starting from a false premise. That's not to say that it's NOT a concern that such a small proportion of allegations of sexual assault result in a conviction. The very nature of them means there's rarely direct witnesses. I read that up here more than 80% of allegations of sexual assault and rape never even get to court, and of the ones that do make it there's a low % that result in conviction. Irrespective of the occupation of the alleged perpetrator.

I am not starting from any premise false or otherwise. I have asked questions and stated we hear more allegations against footballers now than we used to.

i also stated that a lot of these allegations do not result in convictions ( which is correct) and asked why giving a couple of examples of reasons that might be part of the picture

[CEB]

In the interests of "debate" then.

Do you have any data that shows that allegations concerning behaviour of footballers are any less likely to result in convictions? If not, then perhaps you're starting from a false premise. That's not to say that it's NOT a concern that such a small proportion of allegations of sexual assault result in a conviction. The very nature of them means there's rarely direct witnesses. I read that up here more than 80% of allegations of sexual assault and rape never even get to court, and of the ones that do make it there's a low % that result in conviction. Irrespective of the occupation of the alleged perpetrator.

I am not starting from any premise false or otherwise. I have asked questions and stated we hear more allegations against footballers now than we used to.

i also stated that a lot of these allegations do not result in convictions ( which is correct) and asked why giving a couple of examples of reasons that might be part of the picture

Can I ask where “used to” ends and where “now” starts, in your analysis?

[StillSpike]

In the interests of "debate" then.

Do you have any data that shows that allegations concerning behaviour of footballers are any less likely to result in convictions? If not, then perhaps you're starting from a false premise. That's not to say that it's NOT a concern that such a small proportion of allegations of sexual assault result in a conviction. The very nature of them means there's rarely direct witnesses. I read that up here more than 80% of allegations of sexual assault and rape never even get to court, and of the ones that do make it there's a low % that result in conviction. Irrespective of the occupation of the alleged perpetrator.

I am not starting from any premise false or otherwise. I have asked questions and stated we hear more allegations against footballers now than we used to.

i also stated that a lot of these allegations do not result in convictions ( which is correct) and asked why giving a couple of examples of reasons that might be part of the picture

But - at the risk of joining in a game of "I can split more hairs than you can" - your whole question - and the examples of possible explanations - is about allegations about footballers - ignoring the fact that the low conviction rate might just be the very nature of sexual assault allegation in the general population. Hence focussing in on footballers is a false premise to have such a debate, I'd suggest.

Wondering why we hear so much more about them "nowadays" ? Well, we hear so much more about everything nowadays, don't we? He hear more about footballers cars, about their transfers, about their WAGS, than we did back in black-and-white days. Perhaps we just hear more news, gossip, opinion, and facts than we ever did, about all sorts of things - not just footballers.

[CEB]

I’m sure Spen has factored in the reputation of the police, the likelihood of women reporting crimes, and the impact of social media on raising awareness of incidents we might otherwise not have heard about.

[Max Fowler]

The question I want to ask is why does spen have such little regard for women?

[Max Fowler]

Come on spen, you're safe here, show us on the dolly where she didn't touch you.

[Proposition Joe]

I’m sure Spen has factored in the reputation of the police, the likelihood of women reporting crimes, and the impact of social media on raising awareness of incidents we might otherwise not have heard about.

What do you mean reputation of the Police? Apart from all the ones convicted of being sex offenders, there's no proof of anything, it's just allegations.