Independent Leyton Orient Forum

slacker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:08 pm Funnily enough I’ve spent most of the day sawing up branches, that I’ll season/dry and use in the 3 wood burner stoves here next winter. We’ve got plenty of trees here (including Ash showing signs of dieback) so it’s just recycling for us. Can see why there’s an issue in urban areas, because they can throw out a fair bit of smoke even with good, prepped logs, mind.

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Silly question but what is the process of “seasoning” in this context?

Freshly cut wood has a lot of water content still, and cut logs should be stacked so that they dry out before you burn them. You’d leave them for a season -usually cut the wood one winter and use the next - but different wood has different water content/drying out times (I use the Norwegian Wood book as my go-to reference here).

Obviously if you buy the wood from a dealer or a petrol forecourt it should be dried - often in a kiln to speed the process - but some dodgy dealers don’t do it…

Had a multi fuel stove put in living rooms 2 years ago now, even though got CH, lovely warm glow and heat which attracts the Puddy Tats who take up pole positions and ain't gonna budge all night, chuck some walnuts on top of the iron bingo with a good Bitter to boot, Wood gives off the flame however the smokeless fuel gives off more heat and takes longer to burn.

Yes to one that burns smokeless coal and wood.
Like Slacker I often spend an happy afternoon chopping up a big tree that fell a couple of years ago. As he says the wood needs to be left to dry out to burn well.
We use the stove during winter only, a combination of coal and a couple of logs will often keep it warm all evening.
I rest an old fashioned kettle on the top for a late night cuppa or a hot water bottle. I have also cooked on top of it.
I also have a stove fan which sits on top and blasts the heat back into the room.
They are cosy, cheap to run ,especially if you have some logs.
It is often the only heat we have on in the house.
I'm sure it's bad for my lungs and the environment but I don't care.

Do you not use turf? I love the smell of turf. One of my favourite childhood memories was of turf being burnt in every range oven in every house in Ireland.

Big fan of turf. Have a hell of a lot of respect for turf. Reckon turf is unfairly maligned in some quarters.

Beginning to think it wasn't such a great idea to sit so close to the Wood burner at the hotel now. Been up all night puking and shitin, shivering etc. It may also have been the oysters. I'm not ruling them out.

The drive home is going to be interesting. Must remember not to fart as it has serious watery consequences.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:27 am Beginning to think it wasn't such a great idea to sit so close to the Wood burner at the hotel now. Been up all night puking and shitin, shivering etc. It may also have been the oysters. I'm not ruling them out.

The drive home is going to be interesting. Must remember not to fart as it has serious watery consequences.

Ouch. Hope you get home without incident

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:27 am Beginning to think it wasn't such a great idea to sit so close to the Wood burner at the hotel now. Been up all night puking and shitin, shivering etc. It may also have been the oysters. I'm not ruling them out.

The drive home is going to be interesting. Must remember not to fart as it has serious watery consequences.

Why were you burning oysters?

My guess the oysters are the prime suspect

Fun fact: All oysters start off as male, but most change permanently to female by the time they are a year old.

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:27 am My guess the oysters are the prime suspect

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Probably past their shell by date

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:27 am My guess the oysters are the prime suspect

Norovirus from oysters says the General Manager. He's a great guy and took all the drinks off the bill as well as last nights food too but it shouldn't have been on the in the first place as we were Half Board.

Just got home and visiting the toilet. It was a close run thing.

Anyone with a gastric upset especially in Winter, most likely got Norovirus. Microscopic amount of the virus:- I am talking about just few crystals can give you a dose.The norovirus can survive for long periods outside a human host depending on the surface and temperature conditions: it can survive for weeks on hard and soft surfaces,and it can survive for months, maybe even years in contaminated still water. A 2006 study found the virus remained on surfaces used for food preparation seven days after contamination

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:59 am Do you not use turf? I love the smell of turf. One of my favourite childhood memories was of turf being burnt in every range oven in every house in Ireland.

True, the Greens are trying to phase it out but its pretty much the basis of fires in Kerry and Mayo etc. One of my friends still cuts his own but you shoukd see the state of his garden.

I think the Guardian have gone very weird with this one - Maybe it is just clickbait or they are being funded to distract from something else. But they seem to make strenous efforts to make wood burners look really bad. We know the modern ones are much more efficient and cleaner than open fires, fire-pits, bonfires . . . but they don't get a mention. The modern ones can burn smokeless fuel (not so good for C02) as well as dry wood (better on C0-2)

This is a typical shock horror article:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... led-decade


But the government report it is based on is not really saying that at all:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... 0-and-pm25

Just as an example, this is the graph from the Government report showing huge falls in particulate pollution over the past few decades - but somehow there is a big increase caused by woodburners? Weird.

That's clipped from the Govt report. It's pretty clear that the particulates from Woodburners have increased dramatically. Why is that weird? It's possible for pollution overall to be down, but for pollution caused by woodburners to up dramatically, isn't it?

The sales of music singles has been declining since the 1970's, and yet somehow Ed Sherrin is selling more singles this year than he was 10 years ago. Weird.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:27 am Beginning to think it wasn't such a great idea to sit so close to the Wood burner at the hotel now. Been up all night puking and shitin, shivering etc. It may also have been the oysters. I'm not ruling them out.

The drive home is going to be interesting. Must remember not to fart as it has serious watery consequences.

Don't fret you'll soon recover and get to posting again, I like your style

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:55 pm

That's clipped from the Govt report. It's pretty clear that the particulates from Woodburners have increased dramatically. Why is that weird? It's possible for pollution overall to be down, but for pollution caused by woodburners to up dramatically, isn't it?

It isn't clear at all. The report shifts to using percentages as a measure of the proportion of PM2.5 assumed to come from 'domestic wood burning' - but that is in the context of huge decreases in the amount of PM2.5 in the air. Look at the graph. It is much easier to be a bigger % of an overall small number.

In addition there is no actual data that tells us how much of the particulates around are coming from all the various sources - modern wood burners, old fashioned stoves, fire-pits, open-fires, bonfires, incinerators etc. . . There is debate about how bad incinerators are - but the others are definitely far, far muckier than modern woodburners.

So yes, it is weird.

I much prefer a real Fire place .
These other things are so Twee