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Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:16 am**

Jman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:03 am
cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:43 pm
Jman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:05 pm Cheers for the ratings.

Said many times El Mizouni is the absolute key to this squad, he’s brilliant. Has not only transformed our midfield, our team, and moreover our fortunes this year. We’ve been crying out for this sort of player for so long, lucky to have him and hope we can keep him
We will at least until the end of the season.
Don’t see Ipswich letting him leave.
Spoke to an Ipswich supporting mate last night, wasn’t overly fussed about him and thinks they’d let him go easily. That’s definitely not a big indication one way or another but just thought it was interesting that in his eyes, they don’t rate him that highly

Your mate is in charge of player recruitment and retention at Ipswich town? Impressive.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:39 am**

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:32 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:06 pm
Beradogs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:27 pm Turns 8. What a blasterooney. Lovely range of passing.
Beccles. 6.5. Overshadowed by Turns and slightly ponderous but did nothing wrong.
This is the worst assessment of a centre half pairing I have ever seen. And I read most of your posts.

Beckles dug Turns out time and time again today, as he has done every game they've played together. I don't understand how someone can see things so incorrectly.
Wonder what it is he doesn't like about 'Beccles'?

Probably doesn't like Norfolk

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:10 am**

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:16 am
Jman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:03 am
cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:43 pm

We will at least until the end of the season.
Don’t see Ipswich letting him leave.
Spoke to an Ipswich supporting mate last night, wasn’t overly fussed about him and thinks they’d let him go easily. That’s definitely not a big indication one way or another but just thought it was interesting that in his eyes, they don’t rate him that highly
Your mate is in charge of player recruitment and retention at Ipswich town? Impressive.

My point is- often you'll get a player sent on loan by a club higher up the leagues, and that club or at least the fanbase rates said player highly. Look at Alex Mitchell, Ed Turns etc. Know one ITFC fan and have met a few that don't seem to rate him that highly and felt he wasn't cut out for league 1. Of course, that may all change considering the season he's having here and I'm sure he's come along a lot as a player.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:13 am**

On a separate note, the Ed Turns goal- just had a chance to see it properly. What a finish!!

You would've had long odds on him as our first goalscorer in the last 2 fixtures but fair play to him

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:22 am**

cymruO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:37 pm Just a thought for Connor Wilkinson. Just back from a long injury, comes on as a sub and off again - on a stretcher.

Let us all wish him a speedy recovery.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:27 am**

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:16 pm
Milano wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:13 pm I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact he's a Premier league loanee. If I was Thompson or Ogie, especially Ogie, and he was keeping me out of the side with performances like that, I'd be furious.

Great first touch and strike today though, he's obviously got good technique, so made up for giving them the goal I guess.
he didn't give them their goal, he was marking Matt. Lowe was Craig Clay's man, evidenced by the berating Clay got from Beckles after the free header.
Yeah he did give it to them, sorry. He has to come across into the massive hole between him and Beckles that the goalscorer runs into. Sweeney is behind him to pick up the man he was originally marking.

Pratley would have done that job. He has been good at tracking back and winning headers in the box. It highlights clays weakness

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:41 am**

Ipswich getting promoted would be key in us getting El Mizouni. If they go up they will look to add championship level players in which he would probably get shipped out. Require us getting promoted also tho.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:50 am**

Jman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:10 am
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:16 am
Jman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:03 am

Spoke to an Ipswich supporting mate last night, wasn’t overly fussed about him and thinks they’d let him go easily. That’s definitely not a big indication one way or another but just thought it was interesting that in his eyes, they don’t rate him that highly
Your mate is in charge of player recruitment and retention at Ipswich town? Impressive.
My point is- often you'll get a player sent on loan by a club higher up the leagues, and that club or at least the fanbase rates said player highly. Look at Alex Mitchell, Ed Turns etc. Know one ITFC fan and have met a few that don't seem to rate him that highly and felt he wasn't cut out for league 1. Of course, that may all change considering the season he's having here and I'm sure he's come along a lot as a player.

I don’t think anyone thought that Alex Mitchell would be playing Championship football any time soon.

No offence to your mate, who I’m sure is a nice person, but the opinion of a random fan doesn’t really mean much. We have Orient fans on this message board claiming that Craig Clay should be part of a L1 squad

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:23 pm**

How did Lyden play? He came on with quite a lot of time left

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:39 pm**

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:16 pm
Milano wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:13 pm I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact he's a Premier league loanee. If I was Thompson or Ogie, especially Ogie, and he was keeping me out of the side with performances like that, I'd be furious.

Great first touch and strike today though, he's obviously got good technique, so made up for giving them the goal I guess.
he didn't give them their goal, he was marking Matt. Lowe was Craig Clay's man, evidenced by the berating Clay got from Beckles after the free header.
Yeah he did give it to them, sorry. He has to come across into the massive hole between him and Beckles that the goalscorer runs into. Sweeney is behind him to pick up the man he was originally marking.

Turns should leave Matt? No way. That was Clay losing concentration and not looking around to see what was happening. In the end, Clay was marking nobody. That'll cost him his starting eleven place.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:09 pm**

Jman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:13 am On a separate note, the Ed Turns goal- just had a chance to see it properly. What a finish!!

You would've had long odds on him as our first goalscorer in the last 2 fixtures but fair play to him

After-timing but in all his appearances when the lad comes forward he seems to find acres of space in the penalty box (the opportunist striker we’ve been looking for.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:57 pm**

Milano wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:39 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:16 pm
Milano wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 pm
he didn't give them their goal, he was marking Matt. Lowe was Craig Clay's man, evidenced by the berating Clay got from Beckles after the free header.
Yeah he did give it to them, sorry. He has to come across into the massive hole between him and Beckles that the goalscorer runs into. Sweeney is behind him to pick up the man he was originally marking.
Turns should leave Matt? No way. That was Clay losing concentration and not looking around to see what was happening. In the end, Clay was marking nobody. That'll cost him his starting eleven place.

Turns lost his marker a couple of times at set pieces but that’s expected of somebody of his age and limited senior experience, I think the positives outway the negatives with his Orient displays

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:32 pm**

Milano wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:39 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:16 pm
Milano wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 pm
he didn't give them their goal, he was marking Matt. Lowe was Craig Clay's man, evidenced by the berating Clay got from Beckles after the free header.
Yeah he did give it to them, sorry. He has to come across into the massive hole between him and Beckles that the goalscorer runs into. Sweeney is behind him to pick up the man he was originally marking.
Turns should leave Matt? No way. That was Clay losing concentration and not looking around to see what was happening. In the end, Clay was marking nobody. That'll cost him his starting eleven place.

Yes Clay should have got back in but any experienced centre half is not going to stay at the back stick, 2 v 1 against their striker, and allow an unmarked opponent a free header like that.

Pratley is highly likely to come back in now he's rested but it won't be because of that.

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