The Unofficial and Independent Leyton Orient Message Board
https://lofcforum.com/forum1/phpBB3/
Well its only pulling a lever at the end of the day
So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:00 pm 100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.
Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.
I know someone who will be good at that job, step forward Cream, like you say no brain power required, must be good pay as he can then buy a kids season ticket in the north and ghost the kid and no complain any longer. Everyone’s a winner, you know it makes sense.
Says the man who’s just been thoroughly kicked out of the park by PJ.Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:47 pmI know someone who will be good at that job, step forward Cream, like you say no brain power required, must be good pay as he can then buy a kids season ticket in the north and ghost the kid and no complain any longer. Everyone’s a winner, you know it makes sense.
Make them legal then.Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:12 pm The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.
Mikero
Yup. These low level mules don’t even get any money for dealing drugs. They do it for freeCreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:26 amMake them legal then.Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:12 pm The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.
Mikero
I'm not sure you understand how the drug networks operaty, dohy.dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:14 amYup. These low level mules don’t even get any money for dealing drugs. They do it for freeCreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:26 amMake them legal then.Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:12 pm The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.
Mikero
Are there gangs running around selling bootleg booze?Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:19 am Legality will not solve anything as the gangs will undercut any shop price. Remember legal drugs will have to be of medicinal quality making them expensive, especially when VAT is added on. They will also have to be of a consistant purity, probably of a fairly low level. Street drugs can be of whatever strength they want to make them and cost very little to produce as the buildings, electricity and staff are all stolen or slaves. The gangs would make less money certainly, but this would make them even more likely to get involved in turf wars.
Mikero
Don’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:50 pmSo £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:00 pm 100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.
Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.
Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:19 am Legality will not solve anything as the gangs will undercut any shop price. Remember legal drugs will have to be of medicinal quality making them expensive, especially when VAT is added on. They will also have to be of a consistant purity, probably of a fairly low level. Street drugs can be of whatever strength they want to make them and cost very little to produce as the buildings, electricity and staff are all stolen or slaves. The gangs would make less money certainly, but this would make them even more likely to get involved in turf wars.
Mikero
As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am Yes there is cream.
In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.
OK now that’s a different argument. If your an addict then that would work, crime should not be affected as they won’t need to steal to fund the habit. It is an illness, it needs help, support and treatment to try and cure it.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:08 amAs above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am Yes there is cream.
In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.
How is. That different from people on good incomes getting all sorts of stuff on the NHS despite the means to pay for it themselves. Other than of course via the taxation system they currently contribute to. Sure, it’s social, but providing it’s linked to stopping the habit it’s likely to be reducing NHS costs further down the line.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:00 pmOK now that’s a different argument. If your an addict then that would work, crime should not be affected as they won’t need to steal to fund the habit. It is an illness, it needs help, support and treatment to try and cure it.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:08 amAs above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am Yes there is cream.
In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.
Now let’s take the so called middle class, lots of those people have a habit, quite expensive one as well probably. What’s to stop them saying I’m an addict and getting it for free when they have the means and disposable income to fund it? How would it be policed?
Dont forget Profit.dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:58 amDon’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:50 pmSo £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:00 pm 100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.
Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.
So let’s lock up more criminals. Who gives a sh*t about overcrowding, if it’s really uncomfortable maybe they won’t want to rush back.
They wont be FREE, somebody has to pay.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:08 amAs above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am Yes there is cream.
In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.
Plus the extra millions that G4S and Serco banked for "tagging" people who were already freed, or dead !Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pmDont forget Profit.dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:58 amDon’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:50 pm
So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?
So let’s lock up more criminals. Who gives a sh*t about overcrowding, if it’s really uncomfortable maybe they won’t want to rush back.
Think of all the money saved from not having to prosecute people for drugs offences - not having to police all the turf wars and their consequences - reduced crime. I'd guess that the cost of production of legalised drugs would be a drop in the ocean of savings.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 pmThey wont be FREE, somebody has to pay.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:08 amAs above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am Yes there is cream.
In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.