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CEB wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:45 pm Some weird posts on this thread.

It’s properly horrible, this case. It’s about as grotesque an abuse of trust and responsibility imaginable

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:31 pm ^ someone’s got a thing for killer nurses.

cockhat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:35 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:31 pm ^ someone’s got a thing for killer nurses.

You are an absolute pr1ck!!
And no doubt a Sun reader.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:37 am A load of babies under her care just happened to have air injected into them then?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:18 am By the nurse caring for them, who happens to be Lucy Letby in all cases. (havent actually checked this).

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:52 am Yeah, the air being injected seems pretty pertinent to me. The fact that she’s weird and seemingly not very well isn’t the relevant bit, nor are other failings in the system

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:23 am

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:52 am Yeah, the air being injected seems pretty pertinent to me. The fact that she’s weird and seemingly not very well isn’t the relevant bit, nor are other failings in the system

My point being that the actual evidence presented of that is weak, the claims of what the prosecutions case was from the opening statements are just not being backed up. The Doctor called by the prosecution has said that the post mortem findings are consistent with air being injected but not diagnostic. Other than her being around I havent seen anything presented that is evidence she was responsible

Again, I'm not saying she is innocent just that from what I've seen the prosecution is not presenting a strong case.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:25 pm https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... court-told

The Guardian reports are much more detailed than the BBC.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:07 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:25 pm https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... court-told

The Guardian reports are much more detailed than the BBC.

Turn it up. YOU read the Guardian

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:20 pm A case like this is incredibly hard to prove, but it doesn't mean the burden of proof changes.

LSN's links are all from the prosecution opening statements which promised a lot but from what I have seen aren't standing up well under examination.

In each case it seems they are having to admit failings in care which could have affected the outcome and complications with the babies health which may be relevant. The doctor called as a witness for the prosecution would go no further than an opinion that air being administered was the most plausible explanation. By definition then there are other plausible explanations, so no where near the proof that is needed.

I disnt realise until I started reading a little more into it that this case was triggered by an investigation into increased mortality on the ward, not through any concerns raised about the nurses conduct at the time.

Tye star witness who now claims to have walked in as she was trying to murder a baby was so concerned at the time he did absolutely nothing about it, not even asking for the alarm that should have been sounding to be looked at. The other people being called as witnesses are a grieving parent and someone who saw her standing in the doorway of a darkened room.

I'd still say on the balance of probability she did it, but the prosecution don't seem close to beyond reasonable doubt. Also relevant to my view is the number of times plod have fitted someone up in cases like this by only being interested in the evidence that strengthens their case and then saying there's an overwhelming amount of it. This is the perfect case for a miscarriage of justice, no firm evidence, a suspect who appears to be vulnerable and a case built years after the events - the alleged offences took place in 2015/16. They need to be doing a lot better than they are at the moment to get a solid conviction.

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:20 am I haven't been following it that closely......

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 4:51 pm I know there's an insane backlog in the courts due to systemic underfunding and the Rona, but it's still nuts that these cases are taking so long to come round. How can witnesses be expected to remember stuff from so far back? It's not fair on anyone.

I'm waiting to hear if I'm going to be called as a witness for something that happened in autumn 2017 and the trial won't even start til next year. Absolute madness, just relieved I happened to make some notes at the time (was a work thing).