Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:01 am Liz Truss is a puppet, talks like one, got the brain of one and have you seen her when she walks on stage…
She walks like a Thunderbird puppet
We have a population of 68m people in Uk and out of that 68m, only 135k voted Truss in.
Give us a General Election so everyone can vote her and the Conservative C@#€s out!!

Harlow wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:23 am This is scary, especially for the younger generations. I can see massive interest rate rises which happened after Lawsons budget of 1988.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:04 am The Tories are yet again making the rich richer and making the poor poorer, only a fool could disagree.
Working class people will struggle at all levels including being able to afford attending Orient home games.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:08 pm But they did get Brexit done

Is being governed badly down to Brexit ?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:57 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:08 pm But they did get Brexit done

Is being governed badly down to Brexit ?

Yes - absolutely.

Firstly, you'll remember that the last 2 Prime Ministers absolutely gutted their Cabinets of anyone who wasn't a 100% loyal Brexiteer - there could be NO dissent, no heresy, every minister had to be 100% behind the project. That's how we ended up with such intellectual heavyweights as Grayling, Braverman, and Raab in the Cabinet.

Secondly, how else do you think this bunch of clowns got elected? The only way to persuade Joe Public that a party who existed solely to protect the interests of the super wealthy is also actually on his side too is to kid him that they have a shared interest. That was the whole point of Brexit - it was nothing to do with sovereignty, it wasn't even to do with immigration (otherwise we wouldn't be seeing such increased in immigration from further afield). It was solely to fool a chunk of the population that the Tory party had a shared purpose with them - newsflash! = they don't.

Back when wealth was more equal, working class Tories were Tories because they could kid themselves that they too might one day reach the top rate of tax bracket - they too might reach the giddy heights of management, so it'd be prudent to agree with the Tories that the rich (that they hoped to be one day) shouldn't pay too much tax. Nowadays, you can't kid folk that they'll one day be at the top of the ladder - so you have to come up with some other reason for them to share common purpose with Rees Mogg and Paul Dacre. Hence Brexit.

Because of Brexit - and the psychological trick that once someone's been conned they find it very hard to admit even to themselves that they've been conned, and so tend to double down - the Tory have found millions of useful idiots who are only too willing to defend them, whatever they do.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated ?

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:22 pm All I can say, is that my tax bill over £12k has been reduced by 5% and my nat ins bill has been reduced by 9.4%. So £225 better of per £10k earnings at basic tax. If you are earning an average wage you will be around £450 better off.

No idea if the scrapping the 45% tax band will help as it depends on what else is going to be announced over the next few months.

I think this is just the start of a raft of new initiatives.

No worries about currency and bond markets short term, as mainly speculators pushing with a very strong dollar. In a years time we will have a better idea.

As for Truss herself. She is not an orator. But to say that she is not bright is clearly not correct. Not many go from a comprehensive education to studying mathematics at Oxford without intelligence. Whatever you think about her, she is a highly motivated individual who has a different way of thinking to how we have been encouraged and taught over the last 25-30 years and people are clearly shocked. But as I have know having changed career 3 times, this is not as such a risk, but an opportunity for change.

Fellowo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:33 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:57 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm

Is being governed badly down to Brexit ?

Yes - absolutely.

Firstly, you'll remember that the last 2 Prime Ministers absolutely gutted their Cabinets of anyone who wasn't a 100% loyal Brexiteer - there could be NO dissent, no heresy, every minister had to be 100% behind the project. That's how we ended up with such intellectual heavyweights as Grayling, Braverman, and Raab in the Cabinet.

Secondly, how else do you think this bunch of clowns got elected? The only way to persuade Joe Public that a party who existed solely to protect the interests of the super wealthy is also actually on his side too is to kid him that they have a shared interest. That was the whole point of Brexit - it was nothing to do with sovereignty, it wasn't even to do with immigration (otherwise we wouldn't be seeing such increased in immigration from further afield). It was solely to fool a chunk of the population that the Tory party had a shared purpose with them - newsflash! = they don't.

Back when wealth was more equal, working class Tories were Tories because they could kid themselves that they too might one day reach the top rate of tax bracket - they too might reach the giddy heights of management, so it'd be prudent to agree with the Tories that the rich (that they hoped to be one day) shouldn't pay too much tax. Nowadays, you can't kid folk that they'll one day be at the top of the ladder - so you have to come up with some other reason for them to share common purpose with Rees Mogg and Paul Dacre. Hence Brexit.

Because of Brexit - and the psychological trick that once someone's been conned they find it very hard to admit even to themselves that they've been conned, and so tend to double down - the Tory have found millions of useful idiots who are only too willing to defend them, whatever they do.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated ?

I certainly do, what's happened to the £352 million that the NHS was going to save.

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 pm being a pensioner budgets mean nothing to me.
...

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:36 pm ...

.... Stocks are mainly priced in dollars so a falling pound is a real problem. ......

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:53 pm

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 pm being a pensioner budgets mean nothing to me.
...

In fact they mean so nothing to you that you start a thread about yesterday's mini budget in a football forum.


I'm sure you can understand the problem I have with believing your opening line

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:13 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:53 pm

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 pm being a pensioner budgets mean nothing to me.
...

In fact they mean so nothing to you that you start a thread about yesterday's mini budget in a football forum.


I'm sure you can understand the problem I have with believing your opening line

I think you will find it reads "Chat about Leyton Orient or ANYTHING else..."

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:34 pm

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:13 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:53 pm


In fact they mean so nothing to you that you start a thread about yesterday's mini budget in a football forum.


I'm sure you can understand the problem I have with believing your opening line

I think you will find it reads "Chat about Leyton Orient or ANYTHING else..."

But for someone who claims budgets mean nothing to him to start a thread about the budget

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:36 pm

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:22 pm All I can say, is that my tax bill over £12k has been reduced by 5% and my nat ins bill has been reduced by 9.4%. So £225 better of per £10k earnings at basic tax. If you are earning an average wage you will be around £450 better off.

No idea if the scrapping the 45% tax band will help as it depends on what else is going to be announced over the next few months.

I think this is just the start of a raft of new initiatives.

No worries about currency and bond markets short term, as mainly speculators pushing with a very strong dollar. In a years time we will have a better idea.

As for Truss herself. She is not an orator. But to say that she is not bright is clearly not correct. Not many go from a comprehensive education to studying mathematics at Oxford without intelligence. Whatever you think about her, she is a highly motivated individual who has a different way of thinking to how we have been encouraged and taught over the last 25-30 years and people are clearly shocked. But as I have know having changed career 3 times, this is not as such a risk, but an opportunity for change.

Have a look at any pension pots you may have. Stocks are mainly priced in dollars so a falling pound is a real problem. They also will have invested in Bonds and especially domestic debt in the form of Gilts, they are heading south dramatically and have been for the last few weeks when this shower of a government starting leaking their plan. The markets are very concerned about the ability of the UK to be able to afford the debt.

No sensible government around the world has undertaken anything like this. I can't believe that the dregs of the current administration is in anyway competent to run a 'normal ' functioning economy, what they have set in place now......

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:50 pm Given Truss flagged the run on the pound in advance I hedged against it and switched my three pension pots to Dollars months ago. I'm quids in. I can't believe youse didn't get in on it!