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Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:19 am
by eagwgw
Maybe he has a release clause for a low amount in case we didn't get promoted. He signed his deal half-way into the season when his stock was high.
The spell he had in the team co-incided with our best football that year, and on its own was a big factor in us winning the title.
Had Ling been playing for those 20-odd games I think we would have been at least a couple points worse off.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:22 am
by Red_Army
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:57 am
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:52 am
I'd be shocked if he was successful in League 1. He has some serious flaws in his game. He is young, but I'd still be shocked.
Even though he was successful in L2 back in 2017?
Successful to an extent. I really like Judd and would be sad to see him go, but I just can't see him being a regular two levels above where he played last season.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:23 am
by Sid Bishop
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:17 am
If we sell him theres a serious misjudgment of the management going here and I seriously question Ling for the first time.
Few months ago, Myles Judd signed a contract extension till 30.06.21, so with two more years on his contract, why this rush to sell him for such a small transfer fee ? Hard to understand the reason behind this ?
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:25 am
by Long slender neck
Lets remember this is just a rumour.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:35 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:23 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:17 am
If we sell him theres a serious misjudgment of the management going here and I seriously question Ling for the first time.
Few months ago, Myles Judd signed a contract extension till 30.06.21, so with two more years on his contract, why this rush to sell him for such a small transfer fee ? Hard to understand the reason behind this ?
Why not have a think about what you just typed and see if there's a conclusion in there
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:55 am
by Sid Bishop
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:35 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:23 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:17 am
If we sell him theres a serious misjudgment of the management going here and I seriously question Ling for the first time.
Few months ago, Myles Judd signed a contract extension till 30.06.21, so with two more years on his contract, why this rush to sell him for such a small transfer fee ? Hard to understand the reason behind this ?
Why not have a think about what you just typed and see if there's a conclusion in there
I know what you are saying but why the rush to sell him for such a small fee as when Judd is fit and playing well, he is surely worth far more than this very low transfer fee. Also at the time of his signing an extended contract, the Club would hardly have known that Coventry ( if true ? ) were in the start of July, coming in with this derisory offer ? Lastly, who really knows what is going on behind the scenes and what their motives are ?
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:00 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:55 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:35 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:23 am
Few months ago, Myles Judd signed a contract extension till 30.06.21, so with two more years on his contract, why this rush to sell him for such a small transfer fee ? Hard to understand the reason behind this ?
Why not have a think about what you just typed and see if there's a conclusion in there
I know what you are saying but why the rush to sell him for such a small fee as when Judd is fit and playing well, he is surely worth far more than this very low transfer fee. Also at the time of his signing an extended contract, the Club would hardly have known that Coventry ( if true ? ) were in the start of July, coming in with this derisory offer ? Lastly, who really knows what is going on behind the scenes and what their motives are ?
Who said we are in a rush to sell him for a small fee?
There is still a conclusion that you've not yet reached - that perhaps this rumour is nonsense or that selling him is a decision based on getting another player in.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am
by CreamofSumYungGai
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:22 am
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:57 am
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:52 am
I'd be shocked if he was successful in League 1. He has some serious flaws in his game. He is young, but I'd still be shocked.
Even though he was successful in L2 back in 2017?
Successful to an extent. I really like Judd and would be sad to see him go, but I just can't see him being a regular two levels above where he played last season.
Maybe he wouldn't be a regular. But what is he? 19/20?
He's not guaranteed a game here so has nothing to lose.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:07 am
by Red_Army
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:22 am
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:57 am
Even though he was successful in L2 back in 2017?
Successful to an extent. I really like Judd and would be sad to see him go, but I just can't see him being a regular two levels above where he played last season.
Maybe he wouldn't be a regular. But what is he? 19/20?
He's not guaranteed a game here so has nothing to lose.
I wouldn't be against selling him for a reasonable fee, nor do I think it would be a bad move for him. I jut don't believe that he is or can be a success at that level from what I've seen.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:15 am
by OyinbO
this thread is the now classic mix of (1) "I can't believe we would sell our best players, we're doomed, I hate this club and everything it stands for!!1!" and (2) "he's crap anyway, he'll never succeed at that level, never rated him, I hope he rots" etc etc
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:18 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:22 am
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:57 am
Even though he was successful in L2 back in 2017?
Successful to an extent. I really like Judd and would be sad to see him go, but I just can't see him being a regular two levels above where he played last season.
Maybe he wouldn't be a regular. But what is he? 19/20?
He's not guaranteed a game here so has nothing to lose.
Yeah, I;d much prefer to give him another year to develop and then see what sort of player we have next season. Would definitely start him over Ling. IF we are selling it's got to be because we've identified another good right back prospect to sign, surely. So I'm a bit meh all round.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:20 am
by Sid Bishop
''IF we are selling it's got to be because we've identified another good right back prospect to sign''
That is just your own guess, but not a fact as you seem to state.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 am
by Chief crazy horse
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:07 am
CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am
Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:22 am
Successful to an extent. I really like Judd and would be sad to see him go, but I just can't see him being a regular two levels above where he played last season.
Maybe he wouldn't be a regular. But what is he? 19/20?
He's not guaranteed a game here so has nothing to lose.
I wouldn't be against selling him for a reasonable fee, nor do I think it would be a bad move for him. I jut don't believe that he is or can be a success at that level from what I've seen.
Agree. An overrated player on this board. No miss at all as far as I'm concerned.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:29 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:20 am
''IF we are selling it's got to be because we've identified another good right back prospect to sign''
That is just your own guess, but not a fact as you seem to state.
I haven't stated it as a fact. The use of "if" and "it's got to be because" clearly indicates that it's an opinion. And you've misquoted me, (deliberately?) leaving out the "surely" at the end of the sentence.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:39 am
by Sid Bishop
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:29 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:20 am
''IF we are selling it's got to be because we've identified another good right back prospect to sign''
That is just your own guess, but not a fact as you seem to state.
I haven't stated it as a fact. The use of "if" and "it's got to be because" clearly indicates that it's an opinion. And you've misquoted me, (deliberately?) leaving out the "surely" at the end of the sentence.
I did say ''but not a fact as you ''SEEM'' to state.
Anyway, we shall see, but I shall be surprised if your assumption is correct.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:46 am
by PoundhillO
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:17 am
If we sell him theres a serious misjudgment of the management going here and I seriously question Ling for the first time.
Me too !!
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:55 am
by LeytonOstone
That doesn't mean he wasn't a success - being League 2 apprentice of the year in a relegated team speaks volumes. I seem to remember a certain J.Koroma being relegated as well that season but he didn't win the apprentice of the year award - and, without the string of injuries that befell Judd last season, he went onto be one of our greatest assets last season. He has been very unlucky and given the choice of a fit Ling or a fit Judd the obvious choice for me is Judd.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:10 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:19 am
Maybe he has a release clause for a low amount in case we didn't get promoted. He signed his deal half-way into the season when his stock was high.
It would be pointless having the same value set as general release and non promotion release, since the latter no longer applies with us having been promoted. Suspect the £25k thing is just rumour. The fee has to be undisclosed so we won't know for sure.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am
by Mr. Peanutbutter
If we sell Myles Judd, I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'd also hope that any transfer fee is stacked with add ons.
I like Judd, I don't love him as much as other people do, but I think he's our best right back and I think given his age any team in this division would be happy to have him as a depth option. However, his record with injuries is crap, and I think at wing back if we're going with a five, we have problems. I'd rather see Ling moved, but I'm not sure who would take him really. In my mind, Turley is absolutely a centre back rather than a full back or a wing back. Move Judd on with options for if he does well at Cov and bring in an experienced player capable of contributing the length of the pitch and playing 40+ games and I have zero issues with it. Move him on and have Ling/Turley as our depth, not at all keen.
Finally, this has come from a random Twitter account, it's hardly the most reliable source in the world.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am
If we sell Myles Judd, I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'd also hope that any transfer fee is stacked with add ons.
This sums up my feelings.
What was the twitter account that it came from out of interest?
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:34 am
by Mr. Peanutbutter
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am
If we sell Myles Judd, I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'd also hope that any transfer fee is stacked with add ons.
This sums up my feelings.
What was the twitter account that it came from out of interest?
Here's the source tweet.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:52 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:34 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am
If we sell Myles Judd, I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'd also hope that any transfer fee is stacked with add ons.
This sums up my feelings.
What was the twitter account that it came from out of interest?
Here's the source tweet.
Thanks. Wonder where the speculated £25k fee has come from. Probably just rumour mongering.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:56 am
by A Pedant
Worth noting that Judd is in one of the photos of today's training, posted by the club Twitter account:
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:02 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
A Pedant wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:56 am
Worth noting that Judd is in one of the photos of today's training, posted by the club Twitter account:
Playing devil's advocate we would still want him to train in case a potential move fell through.
Re: Myles Judd
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:14 pm
by Long slender neck
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:34 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am
Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am
If we sell Myles Judd, I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'd also hope that any transfer fee is stacked with add ons.
This sums up my feelings.
What was the twitter account that it came from out of interest?
Tweeted by orient hub before that account.
Here's the source tweet.