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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:23 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:11 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

Where did you hear Nigel Travers say this .Nothing on the website or Twitter. Is this another made up story.

Just read a post by someone who claims to have been on the call RW said no to 6 , he says were very close to getting the 7th on the list .

Objection my lord that’s hearsay

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:23 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:11 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

Where did you hear Nigel Travers say this .Nothing on the website or Twitter. Is this another made up story.

Just read a post by someone who claims to have been on the call RW said no to 6 , he says were very close to getting the 7th on the list .

Its on the FB group Leyton Orient Supporter chat. I'm sure the chap that posted I won't mind me posting it up here :-

The club hosted an International fans focus group discussion this afternoon, chaired by Nigel with one of the US directors in attendance as well as Jake Cook, the clubs marketing manager and others from the club. Lot of the discussion was on getting ex pat and foreign fans more connected. 2 things jumped out at me

Streaming was a major discussion point and you can see the US influence coming to bear. Nigel is of the view that within 2 or so years, the EFL will authorise the streaming of all games within the UK and ROI and clubs will have more flexibility on charges. Seems to be a few hold-up clubs elsewhere against it but I got the impression he believes they will be overcome in time.

Secondly, we are chasing another midfielder with 7 names in the frame and, to quote Nigel, "Richie had rejected the last 6 names brought to him" To me. that ended the whole Martin Ling and who has the last say tedious discussion/conspiracy theory.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:59 pm

DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:56 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:47 pm

Absolutely Poundy . This is where things can go wrong . It should be Richie’s choice, not our asshole transfer committee. If it’s their choice I’m glad Richie turned down six of them.

Only another month of these stupid comments before school returns ,hopefully homework will keep you occupied

The transfer committee clearly do not listen to Richie before doing their homework , it’s not rocket science !!

Not sure I'd be trusting you to lecture anyone on rocket science, mate

DaveDunmore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:26 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:23 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:11 pm

Where did you hear Nigel Travers say this .Nothing on the website or Twitter. Is this another made up story.

Just read a post by someone who claims to have been on the call RW said no to 6 , he says were very close to getting the 7th on the list .

Objection my lord that’s hearsay

Overuled

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

What’s worrying is that there’s such a disconnect. You would have thought that after 2 or 3 knockbacks, Lingy would have some idea of what it was Richie needs in this position.

Bet ling f*cking hates working with Richie

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:00 pm Bet ling f*cking hates working with Richie

I’m sure the feeling will be mutual.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:31 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

What’s worrying is that there’s such a disconnect. You would have thought that after 2 or 3 knockbacks, Lingy would have some idea of what it was Richie needs in this position.

Youd think a promotion winning manager could tell
Ling some NAMES to look at getting in

The club does have something like a scouting network, presumably.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

This is what's irritating me . So it appears the transfer committee chooses a group of players for a particular position and Richie's got to pick one of them . So If things don't work out on the pitch they become Richie's choice of player . Is that what happened to KJ last January . He was given a small pool of muppets to choose from so he picked the players he was most familiar with . Transfer committee chooses what players and the manager has to pick one . If I was Richie I'd turn down all seven players and play the youngsters instead . We're either going all out for promotion or we''re not . This is how it should work . Richie tells ML who he want and Martin try's to get them . If Martin can't get them we go to choice number two on Richie's wanted list and so on . Transfer committee keeps their mouths shut. . With the greatest of respect although they are great guys and business men what exactly do they know about things on the pitch ?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:54 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

This is what's irritating me . So it appears the transfer committee chooses a group of players for a particular position and Richie's got to pick one of them . So If things don't work out on the pitch they become Richie's choice of player . Is that what happened to KJ last January . He was given a small pool of muppets to choose from so he picked the players he was most familiar with . Transfer committee chooses what players and the manager has to pick one . If I was Richie I'd turn down all seven players and play the youngsters instead . We're either going all out for promotion or we''re not .

Why is Richie not naming names ?
How many matches has he watched as a manager ,
are really supposed to believe Moncur came
through the committe ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:58 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:54 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:27 pm He rejected 6 of them according to Nigel Travers.

At least we know who's in charge and he knows what he wants.

In Richie we trust.

This is what's irritating me . So it appears the transfer committee chooses a group of players for a particular position and Richie's got to pick one of them . So If things don't work out on the pitch they become Richie's choice of player . Is that what happened to KJ last January . He was given a small pool of muppets to choose from so he picked the players he was most familiar with . Transfer committee chooses what players and the manager has to pick one . If I was Richie I'd turn down all seven players and play the youngsters instead . We're either going all out for promotion or we''re not .

Why is Richie not naming names ?
How many matches has he watched as a manager ,
are really supposed to believe Moncur came
through the committe ?

This is the thing tuffers , I don't really know but its the way things appear to me . I only know what's been said . Richie's given a choice of midfielders given to him by the committee . ? Why are we confining Richie's choices to a small group of players chosen for him by this committee . Richie should ask for players that not on their BS list . What might happen with this system is we're going to end up with a midfielder that Richie didn't really want but was the best of a bad bunch . I really do wish this transfer committee would disband and let Richie decide who he wants , within reason of course .

The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:31 pm No wonder things are going wrong , it should be Richie naming the players he wants not having names put forward to him.
Will our club ever get this right ?

I'd be very surprised if Rob Hunt was suggested by the transfer committee and not Richie, likewise George Moncur, so I think he is having his say. That said expecting a Manger to manage the team, analyse the last match, study forthcoming opposition, and then go on a tour of Britain looking for players is not practical, so some help is needed looking for future talent. As long as Richie has the final say which it appears he does I'm happy. Whether he's being offered a pile of talent or a pile of cack is a different discussion.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

Exactly Adz. What's so complicated about that . That's the way it should be done or it it too easy .

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:18 am

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:31 pm No wonder things are going wrong , it should be Richie naming the players he wants not having names put forward to him.
Will our club ever get this right ?

I'd be very surprised if Rob Hunt was suggested by the transfer committee and not Richie, likewise George Moncur, so I think he is having his say. That said expecting a Manger to manage the team, analyse the last match, study forthcoming opposition, and then go on a tour of Britain looking for players is not practical, so some help is needed looking for future talent. As long as Richie has the final say which it appears he does I'm happy. Whether he's being offered a pile of talent or a pile of cack is a different discussion.

Allhes got to do is say a name of a player its not rocket science is it. He can leave the rest upto Ling .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:07 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:58 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:54 pm

This is what's irritating me . So it appears the transfer committee chooses a group of players for a particular position and Richie's got to pick one of them . So If things don't work out on the pitch they become Richie's choice of player . Is that what happened to KJ last January . He was given a small pool of muppets to choose from so he picked the players he was most familiar with . Transfer committee chooses what players and the manager has to pick one . If I was Richie I'd turn down all seven players and play the youngsters instead . We're either going all out for promotion or we''re not .

Why is Richie not naming names ?
How many matches has he watched as a manager ,
are really supposed to believe Moncur came
through the committe ?

This is the thing tuffers , I don't really know but its the way things appear to me . I only know what's been said . Richie's given a choice of midfielders given to him by the committee . ? Why are we confining Richie's choices to a small group of players chosen for him by this committee . Richie should ask for players that not on their BS list . What might happen with this system is we're going to end up with a midfielder that Richie didn't really want but was the best of a bad bunch . I really do wish this transfer committee would disband and let Richie decide who he wants , within reason of course .

Why within reason ?
If he's being given a list it's for only 1 of 3 reasons.
1 His choices said NO ,
2 He hasnt named anyone ,
3 our budget wont let us bring in who he wants &
therefore other names are put forward ..

Its simple enough to understand .

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

I doubt they’ve gone through weeks of negotiations, agreed terms and conditions, then presented the player to Richie as a done deal.

More like a cursory phone call at most.

Travis has gone public with this to take the heat off of Golden Bollocks, to show he is doing something.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:11 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:07 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:58 pm

Why is Richie not naming names ?
How many matches has he watched as a manager ,
are really supposed to believe Moncur came
through the committe ?

This is the thing tuffers , I don't really know but its the way things appear to me . I only know what's been said . Richie's given a choice of midfielders given to him by the committee . ? Why are we confining Richie's choices to a small group of players chosen for him by this committee . Richie should ask for players that not on their BS list . What might happen with this system is we're going to end up with a midfielder that Richie didn't really want but was the best of a bad bunch . I really do wish this transfer committee would disband and let Richie decide who he wants , within reason of course .

Why within reason ?
If he's being given a list it's for only 1 of 3 reasons.
1 His choices said NO ,
2 He hasnt named anyone ,
3 our budget wont let us bring in who he wants &
therefore other names are put forward ..

Its simple enough to understand .

They don’t understand simple on this message board

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

I doubt they’ve gone through weeks of negotiations, agreed terms and conditions, then presented the player to Richie as a done deal.

More like a cursory phone call at most.

Travis has gone public with this to take the heat off of Golden Bollocks, to show he is doing something.

Your not wrong plumber,infact I would say wellens needs two and not one to make a serious promotion push but in reality we ain’t Man City or Liverpool,the budget is simply not there unfortunately

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

I doubt they’ve gone through weeks of negotiations, agreed terms and conditions, then presented the player to Richie as a done deal.

More like a cursory phone call at most.

Travis has gone public with this to take the heat off of Golden Bollocks, to show he is doing something.

In doing so Travis has highlighted what a total waste of time the transfer committee is, 6 out of 7 rejected shows they haven’t got a clue.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

I doubt they’ve gone through weeks of negotiations, agreed terms and conditions, then presented the player to Richie as a done deal.

More like a cursory phone call at most.

Travis has gone public with this to take the heat off of Golden Bollocks, to show he is doing something.

I doubt they've even spoken to them, but someone would have to analyse the player, talk to scouts, look at stats, videos, etc for each. No wonder we have more backroom staff than playing staff!

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:08 am

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 am The process does seem to be very inefficient. How much time have people wasted finding 6 players that RW never wanted. With RW having the final say, it would make more sense if he identified a shortlist of players he wanted (assuming he knows who he wants) and the TC goes and tries to get one.

I doubt they’ve gone through weeks of negotiations, agreed terms and conditions, then presented the player to Richie as a done deal.

More like a cursory phone call at most.

Travis has gone public with this to take the heat off of Golden Bollocks, to show he is doing something.

Your not wrong plumber,infact I would say wellens needs two and not one to make a serious promotion push but in reality we ain’t Man City or Liverpool,the budget is simply not there unfortunately

We probably do need two

6 - TBC, Brown as cover
8 - Pratley, Clay as cover
10 - Moncur, TBC as cover

Smyth can obviously fill in for Moncur if necessary but could do with a more permanent solution.

Obeiro is the only realistic contender from the kids, isn’t he? I don’t know how far away he is.

Usual suspects demonstrating once again they have little understanding of how the transfer committee works, still.

In doing so Travis has highlighted what a total waste of time the transfer committee is, 6 out of 7 rejected shows they haven’t got a clue.
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Spot on …

It’s the one thing I’ve hated about our club,
Let the manager choose who he wants, you’ve
only go back to the jan transfer window to
see how pointless the committee is and whilst
it’s allowed to continue a small proportion of
substandard players will be allowed to join our club ..