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Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:42 pm

I can 100% understand why someone would look at Jeremy Corbyn and say 'nope, not for me'. I completely get it! I can't at all understand why they'd look at Corbyn and Johnson and decide upon Johnson.

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some people wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who didnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:42 pm

I can 100% understand why someone would look at Jeremy Corbyn and say 'nope, not for me'. I completely get it! I can't at all understand why they'd look at Corbyn and Johnson and decide upon Johnson.

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Yeah you're right.

Johnson won because the majority wanted Brexit. Possibly a bigger majority than at the time of the referendum given the majority at the GE.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:42 pm

I can 100% understand why someone would look at Jeremy Corbyn and say 'nope, not for me'. I completely get it! I can't at all understand why they'd look at Corbyn and Johnson and decide upon Johnson.

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Absolutely this. The left just can’t handle the fact that the majority of this country wanted out and it’s not rocket science that the Torres promised it and have so far delivered it and labour didn’t and got spanked. End of argument.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:42 pm

I can 100% understand why someone would look at Jeremy Corbyn and say 'nope, not for me'. I completely get it! I can't at all understand why they'd look at Corbyn and Johnson and decide upon Johnson.

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Another thing the left don’t understand. DEMOCRACY.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:18 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Yeah you're right.

Johnson won because the majority wanted Brexit. Possibly a bigger majority than at the time of the referendum given the majority at the GE.

Much better

See its not so difficult after all

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:20 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Another thing the left don’t understand. DEMOCRACY.

What are you babbling on about ?

Shall i call for Nursey to come & get you ?

Read your post and the. Read mine and you’ll understand. Failing that a dementia test might needed to be administered by all those nurses you keep calling.

I'm not entirely sure you know your left from your right, Thor. In every sense.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:20 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Because Johnson picked up the Brexit baton and people wanted Brexit.

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Another thing the left don’t understand. DEMOCRACY.

If you mean specifically Brexit, I get your point.

But 'the right' has Vote Leave, Trump trying to stop people voting and the Tories trying to prorogue parliament. I'd probably not make this a left versus right thing as you're not going to win that.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:26 pm Read your post and the. Read mine and you’ll understand. Failing that a dementia test might needed to be administered by all those nurses you keep calling.

I did Thory & you now are making no sense at all


NUUUUUUUURRRRRRSSSSSSSEEEEEE !

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:20 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Another thing the left don’t understand. DEMOCRACY.

If you mean specifically Brexit, I get your point.

But 'the right' has Vote Leave, Trump trying to stop people voting and the Tories trying to prorogue parliament. I'd probably not make this a left versus right thing as you're not going to win that.

Yes Brexit

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:23 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:18 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Some peopme wanted brexit
Only 1.6 million more than those who diddnt.

Stop this B*ll#cks talking about what people wanted,
unless its what a 100% who wanted it !

Yeah you're right.

Johnson won because the majority wanted Brexit. Possibly a bigger majority than at the time of the referendum given the majority at the GE.

Much better

See its not so difficult after all

See Thory even Ornchurch understood the point i made & then made his statement correct .

I dont have a problem with what he has written now as it is correct in everyway . Its how Democracy works.

Tell me my dear little Tory Brexit-loving darlings, just how wonderful are things going at the moment with our severing of links with the EU?

The last I heard, our negotiators aren't doing too well, playing 'hard ball' with the EU professionals?

Who cares when the objective is no deal?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:00 pm Who cares when the objective is no deal?

As far as I am aware, a No Deal scenario was never offered up as part of 'the Brexit Dream', was it?

We held all the cards. We were going to have the cake and eat it. We'd strike a deal over an afternoon cup of tea - the quickest deal in history!

We have an "all-singing, all-dancing, oven-ready" Brexit Deal, don't we?

Everything, yes everything, was going to be better?

Yet still the penny hasn't dropped with the Gammons, has it.

How very, very sad.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:26 pm Read your post and the. Read mine and you’ll understand. Failing that a dementia test might needed to be administered by all those nurses you keep calling.

I only keep bringing up Nurses as you seemed to be able to question someone & if they
Needed there Meds .

I thought id bring it back to you , thats all

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 pm Tell me my dear little Tory Brexit-loving darlings, just how wonderful are things going at the moment with our severing of links with the EU?

The last I heard, our negotiators aren't doing too well, playing 'hard ball' with the EU professionals?

It doesn't really matter does it. If the politicians had got on with it it could have happened a couple of years ago and we could now have a Labour government as a result if you are correct that it is such a bad thing.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 pm Tell me my dear little Tory Brexit-loving darlings, just how wonderful are things going at the moment with our severing of links with the EU?

The last I heard, our negotiators aren't doing too well, playing 'hard ball' with the EU professionals?

It doesn't really matter does it. If the politicians had got on with it it could have happened a couple of years ago and we could now have a Labour government as a result if you are correct that it is such a bad thing.

The Right were in charge .
It seems they werent in a big hurry to leave,
Only the ones who saw an opportunity to make
themselves even richer than they already are.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 pm Tell me my dear little Tory Brexit-loving darlings, just how wonderful are things going at the moment with our severing of links with the EU?

The last I heard, our negotiators aren't doing too well, playing 'hard ball' with the EU professionals?

It doesn't really matter does it. If the politicians had got on with it it could have happened a couple of years ago and we could now have a Labour government as a result if you are correct that it is such a bad thing.

If the politicians had got on with what?

What have they been getting on with?

What did David Davis achieve in his two years as Brexit Secretary?

Or Dominic Raab - who dropped it like a hot potato after four months?

What about Stephen Barclay - during his tenure of almost 15 months?

Do you mean to tell me that these highly paid, Tory Ministers achieved zilch? Not very good, is it.

How many extensions have we been kindly granted by the EU?

When will the UK actually be in a position to explain to the EU what it actually wants?

Is the border issue of checks between Ireland/UK even resolved yet?

How many WTO deals have we got in place? I think we've got deals with The Faroe Islands and Kosovo in place; so no need to panic I suppose.

The good old No Deal scenario, eh? The UK's economic saviour. Undertaking trade with the EU, under WTO rules; whereby tariffs would be applied to most goods which UK businesses send to the EU. This would make UK goods more expensive and harder to sell in Europe; but let's not worry about the finer points of detail.

Obviously, WTO terms would also mean full border checks for goods; which will cause traffic bottlenecks at ports and lead to significant delays. Still.......we've got the overspill lorry parks lined up - so it won't be a problem, will it.

Altogether, wave your Union Jacks and sing along with me Tory Boys - "there'll always be an England"...........

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 pm Tell me my dear little Tory Brexit-loving darlings, just how wonderful are things going at the moment with our severing of links with the EU?

The last I heard, our negotiators aren't doing too well, playing 'hard ball' with the EU professionals?

It doesn't really matter does it. If the politicians had got on with it it could have happened a couple of years ago and we could now have a Labour government as a result if you are correct that it is such a bad thing.

If the politicians had got on with what?

What have they been getting on with?

What did David Davis achieve in his two years as Brexit Secretary?

Or Dominic Raab - who dropped it like a hot potato after four months?

What about Stephen Barclay - during his tenure of almost 15 months?

Do you mean to tell me that these highly paid, Tory Ministers achieved zilch? Not very good, is it.

How many extensions have we been kindly granted by the EU?

When will the UK actually be in a position to explain to the EU what it actually wants?

Is the border issue of checks between Ireland/UK even resolved yet?

How many WTO deals have we got in place? I think we've got deals with The Faroe Islands and Kosovo in place; so no need to panic I suppose.

The good old No Deal scenario, eh? The UK's economic saviour. Undertaking trade with the EU, under WTO rules; whereby tariffs would be applied to most goods which UK businesses send to the EU. This would make UK goods more expensive and harder to sell in Europe; but let's not worry about the finer points of detail.

Obviously, WTO terms would also mean full border checks for goods; which will cause traffic bottlenecks at ports and lead to significant delays. Still.......we've got the overspill lorry parks lined up - so it won't be a problem, will it.

Altogether, wave your Union Jacks and sing along with me Tory Boys - "there'll always be an England"...........

I really don’t think I can take much more of this government. They are completely doing my head in.

If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:39 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 pm

It doesn't really matter does it. If the politicians had got on with it it could have happened a couple of years ago and we could now have a Labour government as a result if you are correct that it is such a bad thing.

If the politicians had got on with what?

What have they been getting on with?

What did David Davis achieve in his two years as Brexit Secretary?

Or Dominic Raab - who dropped it like a hot potato after four months?

What about Stephen Barclay - during his tenure of almost 15 months?

Do you mean to tell me that these highly paid, Tory Ministers achieved zilch? Not very good, is it.

How many extensions have we been kindly granted by the EU?

When will the UK actually be in a position to explain to the EU what it actually wants?

Is the border issue of checks between Ireland/UK even resolved yet?

How many WTO deals have we got in place? I think we've got deals with The Faroe Islands and Kosovo in place; so no need to panic I suppose.

The good old No Deal scenario, eh? The UK's economic saviour. Undertaking trade with the EU, under WTO rules; whereby tariffs would be applied to most goods which UK businesses send to the EU. This would make UK goods more expensive and harder to sell in Europe; but let's not worry about the finer points of detail.

Obviously, WTO terms would also mean full border checks for goods; which will cause traffic bottlenecks at ports and lead to significant delays. Still.......we've got the overspill lorry parks lined up - so it won't be a problem, will it.

Altogether, wave your Union Jacks and sing along with me Tory Boys - "there'll always be an England"...........

I really don’t think I can take much more of this government. They are completely doing my head in.

If only we could have known how they’d behave, eh.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:57 am If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

Moreover, Cross-Party alliances are generally formed during a National Emergency such as war, aren't they? Was Brexit deemed an 'Emergency' - everything was going to be so easy, wasn't it? Just ask the ERG (might be difficult with one of them who has gone into hiding recently). Let's look at a current National Emergency. How much engagement did Johnson request from Starmer QC over the current Pandemic? Zilch - he's more interested in delivering (poorly) a string of unfunny one-liners (that had been written for him probably by an unfunny, outdated moron such as Jim Davidson). The Spaffed now dies on his arse at the Dispatch Box on a weekly basis. It's truly glorious to watch. Jim Davidson no doubt, does likewise. That too, would be glorious to watch!

I digress.

There were then THREE extensions to the Article 50 process; before Johnson assured the British people that we would definitely be leaving on 17th October 2019. How did that go again?

As for party politics. If you are suggesting that the Labour Party should have assisted the Tory Party with Brexit, how do you think that the 70% of us Labour Party Members, who voted to Remain in the EU, would have felt about that exactly?

Indeed, why was it even the responsibility of the Labour Party to help the Tories with this utter destruction? Afterall, as I have said above, according to the Brexit Brigade and The Gammons before the Referendum, it was all going to be oh so easy getting a BETTER Deal with the EU (and Countries beyond) - wasn't it? Why would the Tory Party have wanted help in a 'cross-party group', from (the apparently useless) Jeremy Corbyn & Co?

Lest we forget that throughout the process, until November 2019, there were also a number of decent Tory M.P.'s not willing to be treated like brainwashed automatons, by not agreeing to throw our Country's Economy onto the scrap heap. Look just how badly they were treated by their own Party and new PM - it was utterly despicable.

Now here's the 350 Million €uro question that I need to ask you. What issues were politicians 'being obstructive' about exactly?

Anyway, let's have a sing along of an old favourite, slightly updated - one, two, three.........

"Ruuuuuuuule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves - even when it pays Millions to a company with no ferries,
Engerrrrrrrland never never never shall be slaves - well actually we already are, but the knuckle-dragging right-wing neanderthals don't want to admit it".

Ornchurch.......you were singing out of key!

Glad to see the party of law and order deliver once more with a tough sentanence for the brother of the Manchester bomber 55 years behind bars.

Good riddance to bad scum.

RIP all those that suffered at his and his brothers hands.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:20 pm Glad to see the party of law and order deliver once more with a tough sentanence for the brother of the Manchester bomber 55 years behind bars.

Good riddance to bad scum.

RIP all those that suffered at his and his brothers hands.

Idiot. The sentence was handed down by the judiciary, not a political party. To make a political point from this just confirms you to be an utter arse.