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I think for two reasons

1) the left (from centre to hard left) are split on this. The centrists tend to take her stance as a 'its just common sense' approach, the progressives tend to think shes a scumbag. I personally think, unsurprisingly, she's being an absolute willy.

2) No one asks conservatives their opinion on this, firstly because they are more unanimous, but secondly it all just moves conversation from the more broad issues. Lefties are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

People invite lefties, or Labour politicians specifically, onto TV shows, ask them constantly about trans issues, BLM, white privilege and alike - get their answers and then say 'aaaah, why are you so obsessed with identity politics?!'. So you can't really win either way. That's probably a part of why that didn't get answered.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:31 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:45 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:39 pm I see old Rosie Duffield continues to survive despite posting about the lgbt section of society. Why is old weak Keir not taking action against her?

Why ain’t you lefties slaughtering her for what she’s said?

WTF are you on about?

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/10/15/r ... hittenden/

https://labourlist.org/2020/10/gmb-mps- ... ff-member/

Which part of ‘only women have a cervix’ do you disagree or take offence with?
This should be interesting.

It must be a massive issue for the public if it's gaining this much news time and debate within the party

It's not like the Labour Party to self destruct over a fringe issue now is it?

Len McClusky tells Peter Mandleson to “go and count his gold” check out his twitter account.

Anti semtisim is still rife in the Labour Party and movement, some things never change, do They?

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:04 pm Len McClusky tells Peter Mandleson to “go and count his gold” check out his twitter account.

Anti semtisim is still rife in the Labour Party and movement, some things never change, do They?

Please explain how McCluskey was being anti-Semitic?

Thor cant do that Maxy
He just makes trump like statements & then ignores the real world

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:04 pm Len McClusky tells Peter Mandleson to “go and count his gold” check out his twitter account.

Anti semtisim is still rife in the Labour Party and movement, some things never change, do They?

What?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:43 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:04 pm Len McClusky tells Peter Mandleson to “go and count his gold” check out his twitter account.

Anti semtisim is still rife in the Labour Party and movement, some things never change, do They?

What?

Oh dear

Peter Mandelson’s Grandfather was Jewish but Peter himself doesn’t self identify as Jewish.

I’m prepared to accept that McCluskey made a stupid comment whilst in a RAGE. Unless of course any of the usual suspects are prepared to put me right on a few points that they tell me I am unsure of.

Love & Peace amongst people of all or no faiths.

What has Mandelsons grandad got to do with this? (Whatever this is).

StockholmO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:49 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:43 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:04 pm Len McClusky tells Peter Mandleson to “go and count his gold” check out his twitter account.

Anti semtisim is still rife in the Labour Party and movement, some things never change, do They?

What?

Oh dear

Peter Mandelson’s Grandfather was Jewish but Peter himself doesn’t self identify as Jewish.

I’m prepared to accept that McCluskey made a stupid comment whilst in a RAGE. Unless of course any of the usual suspects are prepared to put me right on a few points that they tell me I am unsure of.

Love & Peace amongst people of all or no faiths.

Following your logic and the facts are you able to agree that the person who made the ant-semitism comment was actually the Anti-Semite given that they were the one repeating the false trope that associates Jews with having lots of money.

If you are able to accept that a false accusation has been made it is then only a small step to accept that anti semitism was used as a political weapon within the Labour Party.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:11 pm

StockholmO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:49 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:43 pm

What?

Oh dear

Peter Mandelson’s Grandfather was Jewish but Peter himself doesn’t self identify as Jewish.

I’m prepared to accept that McCluskey made a stupid comment whilst in a RAGE. Unless of course any of the usual suspects are prepared to put me right on a few points that they tell me I am unsure of.

Love & Peace amongst people of all or no faiths.

Following your logic and the facts are you able to agree that the person who made the ant-semitism comment was actually the Anti-Semites Given that they were the one repeating the false trope that associates Jews with having lots of money.

If you are able to accept that a false accusation has been made it is then only a small step to accept that anti semitism was used as a political weapon within the Labour Party.

Like a fly to a turd another one bites.

StockholmO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:13 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:11 pm

StockholmO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:49 pm

Like a fly to a turd another one bites.

Im still struggling to find a place in Israel called Walthamstow ,
Can you send me the latitude & longtitude co-ordinates please .
Thanks in advance .

Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

Still 20 odd pages behind the Tory Watch thread & the detractros of Labour
Never seem happy to defend those in a blue rosette .

Makes you laugh .

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:11 pm
...... are you able to agree that the person who made the ant-Semitism comment was actually the Anti-Semite given that they were the one repeating the false trope that associates Jews with having lots of money.

If you are able to accept that a false accusation has been made it is then only a small step to accept that anti Semitism was used as a political weapon within the Labour Party.

Absolutely!
Wasn't that investigation report due to be completed by July? Are they still searching for "evidence"?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

No need for such blatant antisemitism maxy. Reported.

It's pieces of silver that's antisemtic not gold FFS

Get your racism right Thor

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

Possibly, but it was a pretty stupid thing for McCluskey to say given the obvious connotations wouldn’t you agree.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

Best for you to stick to your tropes on Alex Salmond.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:57 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

Possibly, but it was a pretty stupid thing for McCluskey to say given the obvious connotations wouldn’t you agree.

Why? Mandelson doesn't claim to be Jewish and by definition of the Jewish faith he isn't.

Nothing stupid about criticising a greedy Labour politician who was in politics to enrich himself and fill his boots.

See post above re dodgy loan from another MP which surely questions his integrity and financial motivation.

Was there not another suggestion of impropriety involving the Hindujah family and probably many others too.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:57 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

Possibly, but it was a pretty stupid thing for McCluskey to say given the obvious connotations wouldn’t you agree.

No. Not at all.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:58 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

Best for you to stick to your tropes on Alex Salmond.

Best for you if you leave the Board. Don't take it too personally. Some people just aren't Boarders. You are one of them.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

Talking of loans, McClusky got a nice £400 k loan from unite to help him buy a flat, but he did of course pay it back Plus a bit more. Not unusual with loans. Details of the loan payback kept from the rank and file of course. The house now enjoys a massive increase in value. Wonder if he still owns it. Champagne McClusky telling others to count their gold whilst having earned a salary far greater that the vast majority of Union members can only dream about, apart from other Union leaders of course.

Don’t begrudge them the big bucks but they should stop throwing about such comments.

Tbh is was a pretty stupid thing to say.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:03 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 pm Mandelson is a f*cking Lord. Surely any reference to money or gold is to do with that, not any distant relatives of his?

What about the hidden loan he was given by another Labour MP to buy a house on Notting Hill that he couldn't afford?

Talking of loans, McClusky got a nice £400 k loan from unite to help him buy a flat, but he did of course pay it back Plus a bit more. Not unusual with loans. Details of the loan payback kept from the rank and file of course. The house now enjoys a massive increase in value. Wonder if he still owns it. Champagne McClusky telling others to count their gold whilst having earned a salary far greater that the vast majority of Union members can only dream about, apart from other Union leaders of course.

Don’t begrudge them the big bucks but they should stop throwing about such comments.

Tbh is was a pretty stupid thing to say.

You miss the point.

Having a hidden loan from another MP means there is potential for the lender to unduly influence the loanee. It's not a good look for a govt minister to be secretly in hock to a businessman.