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PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:51 pm I forgot to switch accounts.

Thought so.

Cheers for answering for me, max.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:39 pm Cheers for answering for me, max.

That's convinced me!

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:39 pm I'm not digby.

Basically, my privilege is that people aren't racist to me?

Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:39 pm I'm not digby.

Basically, my privilege is that people aren't racist to me?

Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

If they applied themselves better , then maybe they wouldnt waste there Education

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:48 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

If they applied themselves better , then maybe they wouldnt waste there Education

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Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:56 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:48 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

If they applied themselves better , then maybe they wouldnt waste there Education

their...

tá brón orm go bhfuilim fós ag iarraidh an dara teanga seo ar a dtugtar Béarla a fhoghlaim .

My Apologies

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:48 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Yes. Pretty much. But that doesn't just mean nasty words or vicious attacks, it also means in some cases better employment opportunity, higher chance of acceptance to big organisations etc etc. But yeah, of sorts.

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

If they applied themselves better , then maybe they wouldnt waste there Education

That relates to everyone regardless of colour.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:55 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:48 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

Well in terms of education the white working class have the worst outcomes.

PS. Sorry I'm late

If they applied themselves better , then maybe they wouldnt waste there Education

That relates to everyone regardless of colour.

I was just responding to dcc & his view of white working class kids having the worst outcomes.

Statement from Les Ferdinand / QPR:-

"This should not be about QPR. Many clubs did not take the knee on the opening weekend, yet this was not reported.

"Taking the knee was very powerful but we feel that impact has now been diluted.

"In the same way 'Clap For Carers' was very emotional for us all, it got to a stage where it had run its natural course and the decision was rightly made to stop it.

"Does that mean we, as a nation, don't care or appreciate our NHS workers? Of course it doesn't.

"No-one is more passionate than me about this topic. I have spoken on the matter throughout my footballing life.

"I work for one of the most diverse football clubs in this country. A lot of people are being fooled out there.

"Recently, I took the decision not to do any more interviews on racism in football because the debate was going around in circles. People want a nice soundbite when something happens, but how many of the media who have criticised QPR over the past 48 hours genuinely want change?

"The taking of the knee has reached a point of 'good PR' but little more than that. The message has been lost. It is now not dissimilar to a fancy hashtag or a nice pin badge.

"What are our plans with this? Will people be happy for players to take the knee for the next 10 years but see no actual progress made?

"Taking the knee will not bring about change in the game - actions will.

"Those media that have been quick to question us should be looking more inwardly. Our Under 18s were forced to abandon a game in August 2019 against AD Nervion FC due to racist abuse.

"More than 12 months on, Uefa refused to deal with the situation and the Spanish FA did nothing.

"What media coverage has been given to that? Not nearly as much as what has been granted to QPR not taking a knee.

"Don't judge us. Simple research and evidence will show you we are doing more than most. If you want change, judge yourselves."

Maybe we should think about "taking the knee" like we think about wearing poppies?

I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not taking the knee, in exactly the same way as I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not wearing a poppy. But if someone wants to take a knee, or wear a poppy, what business is that of anyone else? - who is it hurting? taking the knee takes a second or two, so it's baffling to me how it gets some so worked up.

An organisation insisting that its employees do not take a knee, however, strikes me as that organisation actually making a statement about its view on racism in general and BLM in particular. Can you imagine the furore if a business or sports team banned its employees from wearing a poppy?

Half hour and still no response from Tuffers? He's slipping.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm Half hour and still no response from Tuffers? He's slipping.

apparently he took the knee last night then could not get up🏋

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm Half hour and still no response from Tuffers? He's slipping.

I read it when it was released .

What do you want ne to say ?

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:39 pm Cheers for answering for me, max.

Nae bother, pal.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:07 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:39 pm Cheers for answering for me, max.

Nae bother, pal.

I knew Maxy would be back after The Steel
demolished the Granite !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:04 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm Half hour and still no response from Tuffers? He's slipping.

I read it when it was released .

What do you want ne to say ?

Having nothing to say doesn't usually stop you posting.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:18 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:04 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm Half hour and still no response from Tuffers? He's slipping.

I read it when it was released .

What do you want ne to say ?

Having nothing to say doesn't usually stop you posting.

If your post had some content to it other than what is freely available news , then maybe i Would.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:21 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:18 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:04 pm

I read it when it was released .

What do you want ne to say ?

Having nothing to say doesn't usually stop you posting.

If your post had some content to it other than what is freely available news , then maybe i Would.

Well you wanted evidence that QPR had been criticised by the media for not taking the knee.

The following lines appear to provide that:-
"Those media that have been quick to question us should be looking more inwardly. Our Under 18s were forced to abandon a game in August 2019 against AD Nervion FC due to racist abuse.

More than 12 months on, Uefa refused to deal with the situation and the Spanish FA did nothing.

What media coverage has been given to that? Not nearly as much as what has been granted to QPR not taking a knee."

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:21 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Having nothing to say doesn't usually stop you posting.

If your post had some content to it other than what is freely available news , then maybe i Would.

Well you wanted evidence that QPR had been criticised by the media for not taking the knee.

The following lines appear to provide that:-
"Those media that have been quick to question us should be looking more inwardly. Our Under 18s were forced to abandon a game in August 2019 against AD Nervion FC due to racist abuse.

More than 12 months on, Uefa refused to deal with the situation and the Spanish FA did nothing.

What media coverage has been given to that? Not nearly as much as what has been granted to QPR not taking a knee."

See you are missing the point Orn.

You claimed that sky punduts were up in arms at teams not taking the knee.
( like you did with the RL player) .

All Ferdinand has done is offered a fair opinion
of what he sees the situation to be.

You are trying to say this in some way assists your
Claims .

I still have not seen any evidence of such claims
that you made.

A link to the "pundits " comments must be available somewhere , have you tried you tube ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:41 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:21 pm

If your post had some content to it other than what is freely available news , then maybe i Would.

Well you wanted evidence that QPR had been criticised by the media for not taking the knee.

The following lines appear to provide that:-
"Those media that have been quick to question us should be looking more inwardly. Our Under 18s were forced to abandon a game in August 2019 against AD Nervion FC due to racist abuse.

More than 12 months on, Uefa refused to deal with the situation and the Spanish FA did nothing.

What media coverage has been given to that? Not nearly as much as what has been granted to QPR not taking a knee."

See you are missing the point Orn.

You claimed that sky punduts were up in arms at teams not taking the knee.
( like you did with the RL player) .

All Ferdinand has done is offered a fair opinion
of what he sees the situation to be.

You are trying to say this in some way assists your
Claims .

I still have not seen any evidence of such claims
that you made.

A link to the "pundits " comments must be available somewhere , have you tried you tube ?

See, you do post when you have nothing to say.

Seeing as the game was live on Sky do you think they are not included in the generic media that is mentioned?

I know your game fella. Trying to wriggle out by playing on words.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:41 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:31 pm

Well you wanted evidence that QPR had been criticised by the media for not taking the knee.

The following lines appear to provide that:-
"Those media that have been quick to question us should be looking more inwardly. Our Under 18s were forced to abandon a game in August 2019 against AD Nervion FC due to racist abuse.

More than 12 months on, Uefa refused to deal with the situation and the Spanish FA did nothing.

What media coverage has been given to that? Not nearly as much as what has been granted to QPR not taking a knee."

See you are missing the point Orn.

You claimed that sky punduts were up in arms at teams not taking the knee.
( like you did with the RL player) .

All Ferdinand has done is offered a fair opinion
of what he sees the situation to be.

You are trying to say this in some way assists your
Claims .

I still have not seen any evidence of such claims
that you made.

A link to the "pundits " comments must be available somewhere , have you tried you tube ?

See, you do post when you have nothing to say.

Seeing as the game was live on Sky do you think they are not included in the generic media that is mentioned?

I know your game fella. Trying to wriggle out by playing on words.

I see Jobi mentioned he was dissapointed ,
But its hardly like what you described

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:34 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:17 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:15 pm I've had enough of this Taking The Knee stuff

Sounds like youre the only one offended by a few people kneeling for a few seconds. Bizarre.

Well it would appear that the commentators on Sky last night were offended because there was no kneeling. That's bizarre.

See

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:07 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:41 pm

See you are missing the point Orn.

You claimed that sky punduts were up in arms at teams not taking the knee.
( like you did with the RL player) .

All Ferdinand has done is offered a fair opinion
of what he sees the situation to be.

You are trying to say this in some way assists your
Claims .

I still have not seen any evidence of such claims
that you made.

A link to the "pundits " comments must be available somewhere , have you tried you tube ?

See, you do post when you have nothing to say.

Seeing as the game was live on Sky do you think they are not included in the generic media that is mentioned?

I know your game fella. Trying to wriggle out by playing on words.

I see Jobi mentioned he was dissapointed ,
But its hardly like what you described

Not sure what Orient v Plymouth has to do with this thread but i'm glad i see it again as that first touch by Jobi from Thomas hoof out was absoloutely world class. As for Les Ferdinand i applaud him as he spoke absoloute common sense.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:20 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:07 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:34 pm

See, you do post when you have nothing to say.

Seeing as the game was live on Sky do you think they are not included in the generic media that is mentioned?

I know your game fella. Trying to wriggle out by playing on words.

I see Jobi mentioned he was dissapointed ,
But its hardly like what you described

Not sure what Orient v Plymouth has to do with this thread but i'm glad i see it again as that first touch by Jobi from Thomas hoof out was absoloutely world class. As for Les Ferdinand i applaud him as he spoke absoloute common sense.

Oops should have been this one !