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Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:28 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:24 pm
No chance of it happening - rules are rules.
Agreed . It would make a mockery of them and be unfair on previous clubs who had to go through the same situation
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:29 pm
by Still's Carenae
Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:08 pm
Cannot see how clubs can vote on tearing up the rule book. Bury would have been relegated this season, no squad and minis 12 points.Why just relegated them one division? I have nothing against Bury just don't see how some rules can just be waived.
Just get to the supreme court. They will go against any institution.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm
by Disoriented
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:28 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:24 pm
No chance of it happening - rules are rules.
Agreed . It would make a mockery of them and be unfair on previous clubs who had to go through the same situation
You are right. They need to start again in a lower tier like AFC Wimbledon or Max’s mates at Sevco Utd.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:52 am
by Thor
It’s a terrible shame what happened to Bury, but they should have to start at the point where the laws say they should. The league should not give them any special dispensation. The owner is still the same person so nothing has changed there, if they are re admitted it makes a mockery of the competition.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:29 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49829915
The article presents the below options that clubs can vote for. The middle one was previously incorrect but now has been corrected.
1) To remain at 71 members
2) To return to 72 members, with the club finishing second bottom in League Two receiving a reprieve, and two clubs promoted from the National League
3) Or, to return to 72 members with either the runner-up in the National League also promoted - or with another club added, eg Bury
Did the League (as opposed to other less official sources) announce that only one team would go down from L2 before the transfer deadline? I can imagine that some clubs changed their last minute transfer plans based on one team going down, especially if it was based on an announcement from the league.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:32 am
by Thor
I believe that it was said 1 club would go down, it not sure it was an EFL press release though.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:52 am
by Redcard
It would be setting a very dangerous precedent to allow bury to retain their league status . Sorry, but they must start from scratch as cruel as it is for their supporters.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:58 am
by Thor
Agreed
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:21 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Redcard wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:52 am
It would be setting a very dangerous precedent to allow bury to retain their league status . Sorry, but they must start from scratch as cruel as it is for their supporters.
It is a tough call but I make you right. Gutted for Bury fans, we know only too well as it was a close run thing for us. But it would be a very dangerous precedent.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm
by Long slender neck
Dont see the harm in them starting in League Two next year. It would just be as if they have forfeited all of this seasons games.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:03 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm
Dont see the harm in them starting in League Two next year. It would just be as if they have forfeited all of this seasons games.
So any club who gets into major financial issues etc can expect to start again in L2. And if that team is already in L2 then they get a free ride.
And what happens to their debts?
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:30 pm
by Thor
They must start at the bottom, otherwise what's to stop a club going for broke to make it to the premier league, run up massive debts which can't be serviced and the go in to a cva, don't close out the cva and don't play your fixtures. Then wipe your debts out, start again and be in league 1 or 2.
Unworkable and crazy to allow this to happen. There has to be a punishment and or deterrent.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:37 pm
by Long slender neck
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:03 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm
Dont see the harm in them starting in League Two next year. It would just be as if they have forfeited all of this seasons games.
So any club who gets into major financial issues etc can expect to start again in L2. And if that team is already in L2 then they get a free ride.
And what happens to their debts?
relegate them 2 divisions then. You tell me about the debts, Mr Business brains.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:21 pm
by bobo66
Redcard wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:52 am
It would be setting a very dangerous precedent to allow bury to retain their league status . Sorry, but they must start from scratch as cruel as it is for their supporters.
I'm sure there's different rules in Scotland, but that's what happened with Rangers.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:03 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:37 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:03 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm
Dont see the harm in them starting in League Two next year. It would just be as if they have forfeited all of this seasons games.
So any club who gets into major financial issues etc can expect to start again in L2. And if that team is already in L2 then they get a free ride.
And what happens to their debts?
relegate them 2 divisions then. You tell me about the debts, Mr Business brains.
No idea what’s happening with their debts, but it was debts that caused the problem. The point being that to simply put them in L2 ignores debts being created and without real penalty. Leaves others free to do the same and when it goes tits up they just start again in L2.
I don’t think allowing them to start again in L2 will do much to stop others racking up debts in an attempt to make it to the top if the worse that can happen is demotion to L2
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:20 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:29 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49829915
The article presents the below options that clubs can vote for. The middle one was previously incorrect but now has been corrected.
1) To remain at 71 members
2) To return to 72 members, with the club finishing second bottom in League Two receiving a reprieve, and two clubs promoted from the National League
3) Or, to return to 72 members with either the runner-up in the National League also promoted - or with another club added, eg Bury
Did the League (as opposed to other less official sources) announce that only one team would go down from L2 before the transfer deadline? I can imagine that some clubs changed their last minute transfer plans based on one team going down, especially if it was based on an announcement from the league.
Not because of Orient but option 2 would be the most fairest
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:32 pm
by RientO
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/49841324
Bury definitely not coming back to L2 and just one relegation spot confirmed.
A proposal for Bury to be readmitted to League Two next season was rejected by the English Football League's 71 member clubs at a meeting on Thursday.
Bury, who were in League One, were expelled from the EFL in August after a last-ditch takeover bid collapsed.
Earlier this week, a group trying to rescue Bury submitted a plan for "compassionate re-entry" to League Two.
However, an EFL statement said "it became clear that the proposal did not have the necessary support".
It added that EFL clubs' "preferred direction of travel" was "extending the existing principle of a reduction in relegation across all divisions as a means of returning to 72 clubs now and for the future".
It means only one team will go down from League Two this campaign, rather than two.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Ok, all I ask from Orient this season is please don’t finish bottom. Consolidation this season and then try and get promotion next year
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:13 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm
Ok, all I ask from Orient this season is please don’t finish bottom. Consolidate this season in the EFL then kick on next and try for promotion
Amen to that. This season is one of consolidation and the chance to move on a few players who we don’t want and replace with upgrades.
I sincerely hope we consolidate comfortably around mid table. I don’t want a season looking down to see how far we are from the drop.
I’ll settle for a boring mid-table season. Though it’s tremendously sad that the demise of Bury should create this situation. I wouldn’t wish that on them.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:21 pm
by Thor
The team is still capable of reaching the play offs with the right leadership.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:35 pm
by RientO
Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:21 pm
The team is still capable of reaching the play offs with the right leadership.
Agree. Only 8 points away. And another 36 games to go. 61 more points should be enough.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:43 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:21 pm
The team is still capable of reaching the play offs with the right leadership.
Let’s hope we get the right leadership regardless.
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:50 pm
by Thor
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:43 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:21 pm
The team is still capable of reaching the play offs with the right leadership.
Let’s hope we get the right leadership regardless.
Absolutely
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:36 pm
by Disoriented
What happened to their players?
Re: Bury Fc
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:53 pm
by Thor
Hopefully they got paid in all seriousness.