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Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:05 am**

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:00 am Starmer claims to watch the Queen's broadcast on Christmas Day and draping himself in the Union Jack. Does anybody really believe that?
Or is he simply trying to fool a certain section of the electorate?

For the first time in a while, a Labour Party leader who understands he needs to present an image that will appeal to the electorate. Its about time.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:13 am**

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:00 am Starmer claims to watch the Queen's broadcast on Christmas Day and draping himself in the Union Jack. Does anybody really believe that?
Or is he simply trying to fool a certain section of the electorate?

His name is Kier. He has accepted a knighthood. He has horses on his estate.

Why shouldn't we believe it?

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:16 am**

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:13 am
E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:00 am Starmer claims to watch the Queen's broadcast on Christmas Day and draping himself in the Union Jack. Does anybody really believe that?
Or is he simply trying to fool a certain section of the electorate?
His name is Kier. He has accepted a knighthood. He has horses on his estate.

Why shouldn't we believe it?

There's horse on my estate - belong to the travellers parked in their caravans on the playing field. Perhaps its the same for Kier

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:05 am

For the first time in a while, a Labour Party leader who understands he needs to present an image that will appeal to the electorate. Its about time.

Yes, and all us liberal southern softies should show some loyalty to the party and get behind the message that it's alright to be a bit racist because apparently northerners love a bit of that almost as much as chips, gravy and whippets. Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:33 am**

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:05 am

For the first time in a while, a Labour Party leader who understands he needs to present an image that will appeal to the electorate. Its about time.
Yes, and all us liberal southern softies should show some loyalty to the party and get behind the message that it's alright to be a bit racist because apparently northerners love a bit of that almost as much as chips, gravy and whippets. Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.

Far better to be in power and controlling the agenda than sitting on the opposition benches unable to put any part of your plans into effect.

you wont get into power without winning over the electorate.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:54 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:33 am
Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:05 am

For the first time in a while, a Labour Party leader who understands he needs to present an image that will appeal to the electorate. Its about time.
Yes, and all us liberal southern softies should show some loyalty to the party and get behind the message that it's alright to be a bit racist because apparently northerners love a bit of that almost as much as chips, gravy and whippets. Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.
Far better to be in power and controlling the agenda than sitting on the opposition benches unable to put any part of your plans into effect.

you wont get into power without winning over the electorate.

True enough but is the best way to do that to wrap yourself in the Butchers Apron and blabber on about Britain first to a load of bigots. It won't go down well in Scotland where Labour need to take seats to "get into power".

I say get in to power but we already know real power does not actually rest with parliament.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am**

All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am**

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.

Who did this then?

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:17 am**

Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.

If you want to be in the winning team first and foremost just be a Tory.

I want a Lab gov, bigtime. (Or an anything-over-than-these-Gov) but I want it to be good. Once we inevitably swing back conservative I don't want a term to be beaten up by of getting nothing done or saying, doing or achieving nothing of note.

My only annoyance with Starmer is that he is giving the finger to the left to appease the right and it feels a bit sad but hopefully he comes good.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:19 am**

Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.

Not without winning a significant number of seats in Scotland they won't. That won't happen if he keeps on with the Little Englander approach.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:22 am**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:17 am
Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.
If you want to be in the winning team first and foremost just be a Tory.

I want a Lab gov, bigtime. (Or an anything-over-than-these-Gov) but I want it to be good. Once we inevitably swing back conservative I don't want a term to be beaten up by of getting nothing done or saying, doing or achieving nothing of note.

My only annoyance with Starmer is that he is giving the finger to the left to appease the right and it feels a bit sad but hopefully he comes good.

But, but what about party unity? Sirkeith wants that right? A winning broad coalition can only be achieved if the party is United. He needs to tone it down.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:27 am**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:17 am
Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.
If you want to be in the winning team first and foremost just be a Tory.

I want a Lab gov, bigtime. (Or an anything-over-than-these-Gov) but I want it to be good. Once we inevitably swing back conservative I don't want a term to be beaten up by of getting nothing done or saying, doing or achieving nothing of note.

My only annoyance with Starmer is that he is giving the finger to the left to appease the right and it feels a bit sad but hopefully he comes good.

Most of the people on the 'left' with these faux-concerns about Starmer are not Labour anyway, just TUSC/SWP cranks who jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon. Labour have won without these people before and will do so again - the same can't be said for the centre.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:47 am**

Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:27 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:17 am
Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am All the right people are annoyed about Starmer. Labour might actually have a chance of winning an election again.
If you want to be in the winning team first and foremost just be a Tory.

I want a Lab gov, bigtime. (Or an anything-over-than-these-Gov) but I want it to be good. Once we inevitably swing back conservative I don't want a term to be beaten up by of getting nothing done or saying, doing or achieving nothing of note.

My only annoyance with Starmer is that he is giving the finger to the left to appease the right and it feels a bit sad but hopefully he comes good.
Most of the people on the 'left' with these faux-concerns about Starmer are not Labour anyway, just TUSC/SWP cranks who jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon. Labour have won without these people before and will do so again - the same can't be said for the centre.

What do you care about Labour winning I thought you supported the cranks in the yellow Tory Party.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:58 pm**

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:58 pm

Britain Best is totally different to Britain First, pack it in will you.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:23 pm**

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 pm**

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:58 pm
Britain Best is totally different to Britain First, pack it in will you.

I'd settle for an adequate Britain, at this point.

Posted: **Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:05 pm**

I love how the RABID RIGHTIES are trying to pull back the
22 page defecit on the Tory party thread .

Resorting to Corbyn bashing 6 months after the bloke has gone

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 am**

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics ... hQNffmE8T4

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:26 am**

Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am
Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.
Who did this then?

Hands up, I was skimming through the news and misread what Nando said. Still think the allusion was deliberate though.

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:38 am**

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:26 am
Nice Username wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am
Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 am Dropping Britain first into a sentence is absolutely to be applauded.
Who did this then?
Hands up, I was skimming through the news and misread what Nando said. Still think the allusion was deliberate though.

The full quote: “we stand up for Britain, we stand up for British people, we stand up for British interests and we will always put that first”.

What do you find problematic about it?

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:57 am**

Saying British people first is totally different to saying Britain first. There is no dogwhistling here.

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:18 am**

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:57 am Saying British people first.

Who said this then?

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:37 am**

You just said Sirkier did. Apologies if my sources are unreliable.

Posted: **Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:41 am**

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:37 am You just said Sirkier did. Apologies if my sources are unreliable.

I didn't.

Try reading it again and have another go

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