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PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:07 pm Wouldn't more context be a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the government though? We're still a looooong way to go yet.

In contrast to a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the leader of the opposition when the March poll was taken

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:22 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:06 pm

Wiped out a 20-point lead in under 5 months. My f*cking leader

Double

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:52 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:07 pm Wouldn't more context be a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the government though? We're still a looooong way to go yet.

In contrast to a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the leader of the opposition when the March poll was taken

You know what I mean though. Is this because people are so pro-Starmer or because they are so unimpressed with Johnson? It's definitely both, but I'd argue the latter is the deciding vote. Starmer hasn't said or done enough yet bar gestures to command that as being more about him than Johnson. And I think it's great news.

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:31 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:52 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:07 pm Wouldn't more context be a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the government though? We're still a looooong way to go yet.

In contrast to a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the leader of the opposition when the March poll was taken

You know what I mean though. Is this because people are so pro-Starmer or because they are so unimpressed with Johnson? It's definitely both, but I'd argue the latter is the deciding vote. Starmer hasn't said or done enough yet bar gestures to command that as being more about him than Johnson. And I think it's great news.

It’s staggering that 40% of people would still vote Tory after the last 6 months.

I suppose there's a few people who'll be swayed by Nigel Farage's 'but that was the wrong kind of Brexit' party and there's some that'll wait til they're hit by tax rises, but if people haven't changed their minds by now its hard to see what will persuade them they made a mistake.

Anyway, as my part time job is a Family Fortunes researcher, I asked 100 dimwits who voted Tory in the last election why they would now vote Labour

Dominic Cummings...........24
Barnard Castle...................22
Boris Johnson....................19
A levels...............................14
Jeremy Corbyn...................13
Face masks.........................7
SirKier's electrifying personality.....1

It was nice to see Nice Username pop up again though.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:34 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:31 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:52 pm

In contrast to a global pandemic and chronic mismanagement by the leader of the opposition when the March poll was taken

You know what I mean though. Is this because people are so pro-Starmer or because they are so unimpressed with Johnson? It's definitely both, but I'd argue the latter is the deciding vote. Starmer hasn't said or done enough yet bar gestures to command that as being more about him than Johnson. And I think it's great news.

It’s staggering that 40% of people would still vote Tory after the last 6 months.

Staggering that there isn't a viable opposition?

The last 6 months have caused the governments of the four UK nations to emerge and deal with COVID as they have seen fit. Here in Wales the Welsh Govt have had an equally rocky time of it, over care homes, PPE testing and tracing, A level results, GCSE and BTech results. ONly 3.5 million people live here and what was a failing Welsh Govt before March 2020 has not covered itself with any glory. We were told for instance that the exam results would be 'world beating' - totally fair and reflective. Welsh youngsters had a U turn.
The problem for Starmer is that he can make all the noises he likes - as all Opposition parties can and do - but if you want to see how well his policies would be working - look at the Welsh Labour Govt who have proved themselves unable to govern 3.5 million people, let alone 40 million who live in England.

It's a fair point and the Labour Party ain't even close to being what it should be, but those that ARE governing those 40 million have been 'unable to govern'. But still we reward them every election.

To be fair politicsO a government is judged over the term it serves, as this one has started so so they have plenty of time to turn it around and prove that they are a viable government to lead. Of course things could get worse, but time is on their side.

I agree time is on their side. By the time we are at a ballot box there will be some distance between how bad they've been since December and a new vote. That being said I think a government is only really judged 'til now'. So 'til now' I think i'm correct in saying they've proven themselves to be a poor government to serve.

Also sometimes things are just so badly handled or judged (see Iraq War) that you won't be allowed to forget it. Hopefully that is the case here.

I’m not so sure you can use the Iraq war with a direct correlation to this pandemic. Blair’s illegal war lies sent hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to their deaths. He deserved to be held accountable and should have stood trial at The Hague. However, I get what you’re trying to say though.

To be fair politicsO a government is judged over the term it serves, as this one has started so so they have plenty of time to turn it around and prove that they are a viable government to lead. Of course things could get worse, but time is on their side.

With year 7 in charge of the school, what chance is there ever gonna be? & guess what Brexit is just around the corner. You think these chumps can carry it off? LOL

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:37 pm I’m not so sure you can use the Iraq war with a direct correlation to this pandemic. Blair’s illegal war lies sent hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to their deaths. He deserved to be held accountable and should have stood trial at The Hague. However, I get what you’re trying to say though.

Wait til I tell you about the impact of austerity...

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:37 pm I’m not so sure you can use the Iraq war with a direct correlation to this pandemic. Blair’s illegal war lies sent hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to their deaths. He deserved to be held accountable and should have stood trial at The Hague. However, I get what you’re trying to say though.

So parliament backed him with a yes vote for joining the war

( except Jeremy corbyn -voted against it )

And Thory boy pushes the rabid rights agenda !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:45 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:37 pm I’m not so sure you can use the Iraq war with a direct correlation to this pandemic. Blair’s illegal war lies sent hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to their deaths. He deserved to be held accountable and should have stood trial at The Hague. However, I get what you’re trying to say though.

So parliament backed him with a yes vote for joining the war

( except Jeremy corbyn -voted against it )

And Thory boy pushes the rabid rights agenda !

Like I’ve said before on here many times, they are all for self serving interests. However, let’s see what the public opinion was for it shall we? The public never wanted that war nor backed it. But I see plenty of politicians making hay after that war.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ ... -war-polls

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:19 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:45 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:37 pm I’m not so sure you can use the Iraq war with a direct correlation to this pandemic. Blair’s illegal war lies sent hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to their deaths. He deserved to be held accountable and should have stood trial at The Hague. However, I get what you’re trying to say though.

So parliament backed him with a yes vote for joining the war

( except Jeremy corbyn -voted against it )

And Thory boy pushes the rabid rights agenda !

Like I’ve said before on here many times, they are all for self serving interests. However, let’s see what the public opinion was for it shall we? The public never wanted that war nor backed it. But I see plenty of politicians making hay after that war.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ ... -war-polls

" ICM's poll for the Guardian received more attention than MORI's for The Sun, probably because ICM's seemed to show a more dramatic shift in opinion than MORI's. But since ICM's previous comparable poll was a month before, much of the swing it detected was already accounted for in the MORI poll a fortnight ago; viewing the polls together it looks as if the more dramatic increase in support was in the last two weeks of February, with less movement - though still a statistically significant swing - in the first two weeks of March" .

It seems those on the left got listened to by those on the right.

Shame they stopped listening soon after !

I see steptoe brother has been fined 10k for organising the gathering in central London.

Do people think it’s right to fine him or should his freedom of speech etc be allowed?

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:41 am I see steptoe brother has been fined 10k for organising the gathering in central London.

Do people think it’s right to fine him or should his freedom of speech etc be allowed?

Who cares?

Corbyn giving a victory speech after winning a Twitter poll.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:56 pm Corbyn giving a victory speech after winning a Twitter poll.

5 months !!

And Tuffers? Parliament is run over 5 year cycles, let’s see what happens then shall we?

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:12 pm And Tuffers? Parliament is run over 5 year cycles, let’s see what happens then shall we?

5 year cycles you say Thory
6th may 2010
7th may 2015
8th june 2017
12th December 2019 .

Oh are you sure Thory

All won by the Torres weren’t they?

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:33 pm All won by the Torres weren’t they?

Nah i dont think they were .

Coalition & Minority Govt

Its why Dave the bloke said lets do this thing to get rid of fadje &
then lost & resigned & F*cked the place for the forsseable .
Plonk corona on top

Well £2,000,000,000,004
to pay back .


Still its all on the Tory Watch thread .

Tom Watson who is an anti gambling campaigner has taken a job advising the owner of paddy power and skybet. What a hypocrit.