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Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:52 pm
by Celtient
Yeah, cos he could definitely rely on Putin to keep his word

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:40 pm
by BoniO
Celtient wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:52 pm Yeah, cos he could definitely rely on Putin to keep his word
Honour amongst thieves?

But yeah, I get your point. Trump would need to keep Putin sweet - maybe he'll give him Greenland?

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:40 pm
by Max B Gold
BoniO wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:32 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:57 pm An interesting read from an actual journalist driven out of the BBC for trying to do his job properly.

https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com ... irect=true
Makes sense. Trump giving Putin what he wants in exchange for him keeping out of any conflict between China and the US seems probable. It also helps Trump to have Europe in turmoil over security from Russian territorial infringements too. Anyone got a second hand Anderson Shelter for sale?
Living a mere 17 miles from the nuclear base at Faslane I'm not going to waste my money on an Anderson shelter.

Just hope Os win promotion before the balloon goes up. Trust a Trump/Putin axis of evil to ruin my retirement.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:42 pm
by BoniO
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:40 pm
BoniO wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:32 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:57 pm An interesting read from an actual journalist driven out of the BBC for trying to do his job properly.

https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com ... irect=true
Makes sense. Trump giving Putin what he wants in exchange for him keeping out of any conflict between China and the US seems probable. It also helps Trump to have Europe in turmoil over security from Russian territorial infringements too. Anyone got a second hand Anderson Shelter for sale?
Living a mere 17 miles from the nuclear base at Faslane I'm not going to waste my money on an Anderson shelter.

Just hope Os win promotion before the balloon goes up. Trust a Trump/Putin axis of evil to ruin my retirement.
Sounds like you need a sturdy kitchen table to take shelter under. Remember to stock up on baked beans.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:36 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
And don’t forget a few tins of white wash to paint your house white in order to deflect the heat from the blast

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:29 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
Weird.


Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:45 pm
by Max B Gold
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:36 pm And don’t forget a few tins of white wash to paint your house white in order to deflect the heat from the blast
Ha, jokes on you my house is already white.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:51 pm
by Max B Gold
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:29 pm Weird.

The late Jimmy Reids granddaughter no less. But yes bizarre. Its like she doesn't listen when Corbo denounces Putin and was doing it long before it became fashionable.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:36 am
by Dunners
That post by Joani Reid is ridiculous, and it may be explained slightly by the fact her seat is at risk from the SNP, so she needs to raise her profile.

But may be a slight legacy of Corbyn's idiotic suggestion, following the Salisbury poisoning, to entrust the Russians to investigate rather than accept the conclusions of the UK Government. He certainly wasn't denouncing Putin then.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 7:52 am
by Currywurst and Chips
And this gem from Feb 2022 at the start of the war

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Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:38 am
by Dunners
Oh yeah, that was when Stop The War effectively admitted they were sponsored by hostile foreign governments.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:06 am
by Max B Gold
Dunners wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:36 am That post by Joani Reid is ridiculous, and it may be explained slightly by the fact her seat is at risk from the SNP, so she needs to raise her profile.

But may be a slight legacy of Corbyn's idiotic suggestion, following the Salisbury poisoning, to entrust the Russians to investigate rather than accept the conclusions of the UK Government. He certainly wasn't denouncing Putin then.
Corbo did himself no favours with they way he handled the poisonings. But its actually possible to want to stop the war and denounce Putin. Which was his position.

To bury ones head in the sand and deny NATO expansion was a factor in the invasion ignores the facts and in doing so hinders a resolution of the conflict.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:13 am
by Long slender neck
So you think countries shouldnt be allowed to setup to defend themselves (against russian invasion) in case it upsets Russia?

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:14 am
by Dunners
I dealt with the whole NATO expansion/Chomsky-take thing earlier on in this thread.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:45 am
by Long slender neck
This is 85 pages long damnit, I'm not going back.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:03 am
by Max B Gold
Long slender neck wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:13 am So you think countries shouldnt be allowed to setup to defend themselves (against russian invasion) in case it upsets Russia?
I'm just going to assume you are thick. Of course I don't.

Not everything I post is my thinking but an attempt to add some understanding to the complexity instead of the yaboo instinct to take sides without any real understanding of the facts.

That and a mission to create an MB equivalent to the Theatre of the Absurd.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:11 am
by Long slender neck
So I guess it really annoys Vlad and Jeremy if you attempt to defend yourself from invasion?

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:26 am
by Celtient
Finland and Sweden joined NATO as a direct result of the Ukraine invasion, so despite Vlad's assertion that The Special Military Operation is going exactly to plan, I'm not so sure

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:35 am
by Max B Gold
Long slender neck wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:11 am So I guess it really annoys Vlad and Jeremy if you attempt to defend yourself from invasion?
Vlad is ragin' but much less so these days after cementing an alliance with leading NATO member, the Good Ole US of A. Despite being less than pro American I suspect Jeremy is a bit annoyed by that. I know I am.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:34 pm
by Dunners
Dunners wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:14 pm However, the US's muscle flexing over North, Central and some Southern American countries could make sense if it has already concluded to rapidly on-shore all of its industrial and agricultural needs onto the home continent. If it does this, then it will lose its incentive to maintain dominance in and around the seas of Asia.
An interesting, and unsettling theory (for Europeans especially): www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-is-being-sold-out-by-its

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Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:42 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:45 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:36 pm And don’t forget a few tins of white wash to paint your house white in order to deflect the heat from the blast
Ha, jokes on you my house is already white.
Ok then , you can relax . However , just don’t forget to wear a good pair of sunglasses and put on the highest factor sun lotion you can find.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:44 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:40 pm
BoniO wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:32 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:57 pm An interesting read from an actual journalist driven out of the BBC for trying to do his job properly.

https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com ... irect=true
Makes sense. Trump giving Putin what he wants in exchange for him keeping out of any conflict between China and the US seems probable. It also helps Trump to have Europe in turmoil over security from Russian territorial infringements too. Anyone got a second hand Anderson Shelter for sale?
Living a mere 17 miles from the nuclear base at Faslane I'm not going to waste my money on an Anderson shelter.

Just hope Os win promotion before the balloon goes up. Trust a Trump/Putin axis of evil to ruin my retirement.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 pm
by Mistadobalina
Dunners wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:34 pm
Dunners wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:14 pm However, the US's muscle flexing over North, Central and some Southern American countries could make sense if it has already concluded to rapidly on-shore all of its industrial and agricultural needs onto the home continent. If it does this, then it will lose its incentive to maintain dominance in and around the seas of Asia.
An interesting, and unsettling theory (for Europeans especially): www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-is-being-sold-out-by-its

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Not sure I buy this as there is no version of the future where Russia dominates Europe, even with it's leadership fragmented. It's population, economy and military are dwarfed by Europe. It's taken years to capture a segment of a dirt poor, much smaller neighbour. There is zero chance it could deal with just Poland.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:58 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Mistadobalina wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 pm
Dunners wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:34 pm
Dunners wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:14 pm However, the US's muscle flexing over North, Central and some Southern American countries could make sense if it has already concluded to rapidly on-shore all of its industrial and agricultural needs onto the home continent. If it does this, then it will lose its incentive to maintain dominance in and around the seas of Asia.
An interesting, and unsettling theory (for Europeans especially): www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-is-being-sold-out-by-its

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Not sure I buy this as there is no version of the future where Russia dominates Europe, even with it's leadership fragmented. It's population, economy and military are dwarfed by Europe. It's taken years to capture a segment of a dirt poor, much smaller neighbour. There is zero chance it could deal with just Poland.
Of course it won’t happen . Russia knows the consequences of attacking a NATO country the same as the rest of the world.

Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:03 pm
by Dunners
Mistadobalina wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 pm
Dunners wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:34 pm
Dunners wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:14 pm However, the US's muscle flexing over North, Central and some Southern American countries could make sense if it has already concluded to rapidly on-shore all of its industrial and agricultural needs onto the home continent. If it does this, then it will lose its incentive to maintain dominance in and around the seas of Asia.
An interesting, and unsettling theory (for Europeans especially): www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-is-being-sold-out-by-its

Image
Not sure I buy this as there is no version of the future where Russia dominates Europe, even with it's leadership fragmented. It's population, economy and military are dwarfed by Europe. It's taken years to capture a segment of a dirt poor, much smaller neighbour. There is zero chance it could deal with just Poland.
Completely agree re Russia. But that doesn't rule out that this could be the Trumipian strategy regardless. Only, a Europe left to fend for itself, could soon start to see the emergence of age old disputes.